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Jim-NJ
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The way FireFox changed the order of open windows in the Window dropdown menu in version 108 to be alphabetical is horrible. Since every open window has several tabs, by changing the tab, the location of that window will jump around in the menu. That makes it very hard to find the window you are looking for in the menus. The older versions have the order in chronological order which was very helpful as I used to arrange tabs in windows in a way I can easily find them in that order. Frankly, one of the main reasons I was using Firefox over other browsers was that chronological order of windows. One idea is to the order, chronological or alphabetical be set in the preferences. For now, I will try to downgrade to an older version.

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Eelectric
Making moves

I understand that supporting OS features can limit other functions, but this is really baffling prioritization. Keeping track of many windows via the menu is now needlessly difficult and extremely confusing. What's the point of a list that changes order every time you load a new URL?

Please add a setting to change it back, but even for users who want the Mac window features, this should be mitigated in some way. Built-in numbering windows in order of opening (I hope decrementing as windows are closed) or maybe prepending the domain to make the order semi-predictable?

td4544
Making moves

Please, please either revert this change or make it a user-configurable option. The Window menu ordering in v108 has absolutely destroyed productivity for me in Firefox.

The original behavior of the Window menu in which older windows indexed closer to the top was critical to my workflow. Browser tabs that needed to be frequently checked on throughout the day were intentionally migrated to the "oldest" window so that they could be quickly recalled regardless of the number of open browser windows.

Since v108, my ham-fisted "workaround", if you can even call it that, is to find some webpage whose title starts with an early lexicographic glyph to force it to index at the top, and then I need to explicitly remember to make that tab the active view each and every time before I change focus from that window, or it will immediately get lost in the stack of other windows. This happens to me multiple times a day and it is absolutely maddening. This also destroys any semblance of order one might be trying to keep for a window containing multiple tabs, for the same reason – as soon as you change tabs in a window and then cycle away from that window to another, if you don't keep mental state of what the title of the last-viewed tab in that window was, the entire window as good as lost if you have lots of windows open.

I am not exaggerating to say that this is the most negative change to Firefox I have experienced in the last decade. Please give users the option to restore the original Window menu indexing behavior. If you are a light browser user it may not be much of an issue, but for workflows that require many windows, the current configuration is profoundly unusable.

Saint112
Making moves

With many softwares and OSes I tend to not upgrade when I am satisfied with the version I run. You never know what changes are made to stuff that work perfectly well and how they ruin its usability. At first I thought I would get used to it. I proved impossible.

Before that change the Windows menu was in chronological order and the Dock menu was in alphabetical order, so you had the best of both worlds.

Now you need to remember the name of the pages but it becomes unmanageable when you have several tabs opened in the same page.  It adds stress to experience of browsing. The reason why this feature was surrender to Mac OS remains a mystery to me. What does it add?

Of course I concur with the request.

And why not, if possible, making the Dock menu chronological?

Nick

PhilZampino23
New member

Thank you jscher2000 for the numbering add-on, which I installed this morning - it immediately gave me back a sense of control to the Window menu.   I typically have 20 or more tabs open and the change was extremely frustrating.

 

Firefox developers should consider what a waste of time it is to continually seek for a window you just opened that is now randomly tucked away and difficult to locate.

 

philz

 

kelseyhusky
Strollin' around

Coming here to comment. This was a horrible, Horrible decision, and I'd very much like whomever it was that made this change REVERT it ASAP. it just hit the ESR release and I was so happy to see that it was already discovered months ago and has been seen by Firefox's users.

GreenMind
Making moves

I agree that this change is terrible. I never use that MacOS Tile Window option so I will not miss it if it is removed. With the current behavior every time I navigate to a different page on a website it changes the order. If I timeout on a page, it may jump to some generic page like "Log In" and I have no idea what website it is referring to. If I look at my email account, when I'm at the home page it will name the actual website, but if I open an email it uses the subject of the email. If I don't see my email account listed I have to guess which of those entries might be the subject line of an email.

If you want to actually improve it, perhaps using the title of the home page, or even just the URL, with the specific page appended to it might actually be really useful.

I might try that add-on that jscher2000 mentioned, but in general I try to avoid using untested add-on kludges that might have bugs.

kingnuscodus
New member

What's the ETA on this? I can't believe such a great browser has to be so mediocre in window management.

Thank you!

kingnuscodus
New member

An improvement would be at least to leave the window order unchanged, and/or allow the user to label it so that switching windows is at least manageable. New windows should appear in a predictable drop-down location, e.g. the top or bottom, instead of the casino lottery.

goilhoimer
New member

PLEASE RESTORE CHRONOLOGICAL WINDOW ORDER!!!!!! It is SOOOOOOO user-unfriendly and a typical web developer/decide by committee approach what you've done. It is SOOOOOO annoying and serves zero purpose!