topic Re: Remove AI garbage in Discussions

No AI in the browser

fl0id — Fri, 16 Feb 2024 16:41:37 GMT

Please do not add AI in the browser as a core feature. If you want to experiment with various ways to use AI, please do it as an optional feature in the form of an addon or similar. Many people use FFX because it is not Edge or Chrome, and that necessitates sth like AI being optional.

AI

Gamoc — Thu, 15 Feb 2024 08:56:56 GMT

If you put AI in your browser you will destroy your user base. After all the constant complaints about AI being implemented absolutely everywhere and how privacy is being compromised constantly you decide that's a good idea?

Clearly the problem is good completely out of touch the people meeting the decisions are. No surprise since you added ads to it long ago but I thought there's be a limit to the incompetence.

Re: AI

Mizar — Thu, 15 Feb 2024 19:23:04 GMT

AI is a new arms race, a new power that should not be wielded by anyone.

Re: No AI in the browser

Ejorenz — Wed, 21 Feb 2024 21:32:36 GMT

I agree.

Firefox is supposed to be a privacy focused browser. Now the new CEO wants to integrate AI because he sees everyone else doing it? That doesn't leave me with a warm fuzzy feeling. Nor do I see how that brings a better product to the user.

I don't use Edge or Chrome because I'm against Google and Microsoft using my personal data to train their AI. I dumped Windows 11 and switched to Mint for the same reason. If Mozilla plans to do the same then I will seek out other options.

Re: AI

Ejorenz — Wed, 21 Feb 2024 21:38:24 GMT

I agree. NO AI.

I don't use Edge or Chrome because I'm against Google and MS using my personal data to train their AI. I will certainly find a mozilla replacement if they integrate AI as well.

Re: No AI in the browser

Mizar — Wed, 21 Feb 2024 22:40:24 GMT

I second that motion.

Re: No AI in the browser

BaconMacAndChee — Sun, 03 Mar 2024 13:27:48 GMT

100%. So-called artificial intelligence exacerbates inequality and accelerates climate change, with no real benefit for humanity. And the industrial-grade bull**bleep** machines known as "generative ai" are like the latest vanguard, threatening to divide us even further. AI is a bubble, and chasing after it is NOT a human-centric product strategy. Ideally, Mozilla would resist this temptation and not waste any resources on AI.

If AI comes to Firefox, I will be looking for another browser, full stop. Mozilla, if you insist on shoveling this trash into Firefox, respect your users and make it purely opt-in.

Re: No AI in the browser

Mizar — Sun, 03 Mar 2024 15:10:16 GMT

Normally I tend not to agree with posts of inflamatory nature but in this case I open an exception.

Re: No AI in the browser

WildThing — Sun, 12 May 2024 22:56:09 GMT

Everyone in this thread sounds like the Luddites destroying the cotton gin to avoid progress, due to real, but inevitable concerns it posed.

Those who shun AI are doomed to be overwhelmed by it.

Go use GPT to write a song (you don't care about copyrighting) or have a conversation on a topic your friends aren't educated on. You'll see, the Chicken Little scenarios aren't necessarily founded.

Also, people turning on Mozilla after decades of trust due to them again being innovative in the industries they are known for, is bizarre to me. They would fall behind without investing in this oncoming technological transition.

If you don't realize they will do their best to maintain the stellar security they are already known for, and provide optional implementation, you're not deserving of their amazing app to begin with.

The. Sky. Is. Not. Falling. =:xB

Re: No AI in the browser

Ok-Horror-50861 — Thu, 16 May 2024 19:22:55 GMT

The issue for me is there is no choice to the end user. It is a heavy handed...YOU WILL ACCEPT AI IN THE PRODUCT YOU USE...people don't like. Its a tired narrative, but I did switch to a linux distro as my daily driver to get away from m$ft copilot. Sure, one can "disable" copilot right now, but what happens when that option is removed, as will eventually and inevitably happen? Further, I recently opened a search page through google on my cell phone and the WHOLE results page was AI generated summaries...which is not what I searched for. I wasn't looking for anything close to the summaries. It was a waste of my time to figure out how to disable generative ai in searches (also with results generated by the generative ai). I'm perfectly willing to have ai, I want it on MY terms tho. make it 100% removable from the program. Not something you disable. 100% removable with no trace of integration. Then I can decide when I want to utilize that feature, if ever.

People are turning on mozilla because it is one of the last bastions that is away from the prying eyes of alphabet, meta, m$ft, (among others) and they are watching it turn into the very thing they sought refuge from. I think people will come around on ai eventually. Personally, I'm fine with ai existing as a tool to opt-in to. What i would really like to avoid is to have an "ai" "respond" to me when I never willingly initiated its use. If its a standalone program that can integrate with firefox, awesome. If it is going to be baked in to the browser with no real way to remove it (not disable, remove), then i'm afraid people will realize there is really no distinction among the browsers any more and will just stick with a chromium product.

Re: No AI in the browser

chrismon — Sun, 19 May 2024 13:49:16 GMT

Agreed. The minute I see anything like 'AI Overview' placed higher in search results, as Chrome is now doing, I'm gone. I just switched to Firefox after about 15 years of deleting it every time it appeared on my desktop because of this. Information without sources is not reliable information, whatever Google tries to shove down our throats.

Re: No AI in the browser

chrismon — Sun, 19 May 2024 13:54:06 GMT

Name calling won't solve anything, especially when it's inaccurate. Obviously nobody here is scared of tech. Search engines are a means to getting information, but without transparent sources, it's no longer reliable information, but part of a system aimed at making humans dependent on machine learning. Humans who want to think for themselves should have the right and the means to say 'no thanks'.

Re: No AI in the browser

saturnleia — Mon, 20 May 2024 18:15:39 GMT

Agreed. No AI in Firefox please.

Re: No AI in the browser

loopscatfaec — Mon, 27 May 2024 12:41:13 GMT

I completely agree. I stopped using Google the day it started shoving "AI summaries" down my throat, and I'm a hair's breadth from moving over to Linux to get away from Copilot (although for now I've killed it via the registry). It doesn't add any value whatsoever; if I want to play with AutoCorrect 2.0, I'm perfectly capable of doing so without my web browser's help.

Re: No AI in the browser

Mizar — Mon, 27 May 2024 14:15:11 GMT

Word, I'm still on Win 10 and won't change.

Re: No AI in the browser

Agentvirtuel — Mon, 27 May 2024 14:20:12 GMT

Hello

https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/ideas/add-google-quot-web-quot-search-as-search-engine-option/idi-p/57905 ?

Re: No AI in the browser

RlyAsta — Tue, 28 May 2024 03:22:14 GMT

Even in the most idealistic situation, AI is still currently a tool that very few users will actually take advantage of on a daily basis. Most users just want a browser that is unobtrusive. The reality of the situation is that AI is extremely expensive, obtrusive, and a privacy nightmare. For such a user-oriented company like Mozilla, AI shouldn't even be crossing their minds right now, or at any point in the next 20 years.

Where would we go if Firefox adds AI features? What mainstream browsers are left that actually respect user's privacy?

Re: No AI in the browser

Mizar — Tue, 28 May 2024 05:52:00 GMT

Compiling my own version of Firefox is becoming an alluring idea.

Re: No AI in the browser

OneOfMany07 — Fri, 07 Jun 2024 18:30:41 GMT

Optional can make sense, but it depends how it's implemented in my mind... as to if it needs to be optional or is scary. I wish we'd stop plastering "AI" all over stuff and come up with accurate terms for what's happening.

Is something recording everything I do? Or is it just using some new method to come up with a better answer?

What basis material did it use to create that better answer, and was it stolen or licensed (or licensed material users created which kind of feels stolen if the users didn't expect AI to be trained on it)?

Shouldn't be that hard to make or find obvious names for the various flavors of stuff people have issues with. Stop using the business/marketing buzz words that aren't accurate in the first place. And no, making 'everything anyone has an issue with optional' is not a perfect solution everywhere.

Reminds me of a demotivational poster a coworker used as prints (we needed to print something, so they got creative)... "Linux, because not everybody wants to build their car from scratch either." Options/choices can lead to complexity and confusion.

Part of the power of 'software' is one person solving a problem and many other's benefiting. Each choice/option adds complexity to the project (for future additions, testing, etc), and sometimes users just need what works for most people (which isn't always offered, or obvious).

Re: No AI in the browser

RogueArchivist — Wed, 26 Jun 2024 00:44:46 GMT

I 100% agree, I only made this account specifically to comment on this myself. The widespread use of so-called "AI" has been a disaster in every conceivable way, from the privacy violations of the data collection, to the massive environmental impact it has had to our already struggling-to-survive ecosystem, I see it as an utter, total negative to both users and to society as a whole.

I use Firefox to stay away from the rest of the BS that's omnipresent in every other major browser around, and I'm utterly disappointed to see them partaking in this as well. For the first time, I'm dedicated to finding a replacement to at least mainline Firefox that doesn't contain this affront to the world at large. This free, open-source web-browser shouldn't be a "marketable product" that has all the fun buzzwords that tech bros love to hear, it should simply just do its job of letting me browse websites in a less intrusive way than the rest of the closed-source, totally for-profit browsers.

If this is being done to draw in people to the browser with "fun features", then I can confidently say it's driving out much of its current user-base. And as the competition to add as many new "features" as possible, at the cost of privacy, security, user experience, and the environment itself, is quite fierce, Firefox is choosing to abandon its core audience and leaving them with no clear alternative, in order to compete with all the major browsers that already do what it's trying to do, but "better". If it doesn't alienate users like me, then it stands alone in being a good, competent web-browser that people can feel safe and comfortable using. If it stoops to the depths of idiocy like the rest of them, then we're left with nothing good and are forced to make a good alternative browser to what was *supposed* to be the good alternative browser, leaving Firefox as one of many other browsers that feel like different coats of paint over the exact same crap.

If AI "is the future", then we simply have no future left for us. And if AI "is the future" for Firefox, then Firefox has no future left for me.

Re: No AI in the browser

EBNOW — Mon, 26 Aug 2024 02:01:50 GMT

ME TOO!

Re: No AI in the browser

EBNOW — Mon, 26 Aug 2024 02:06:21 GMT

technology transition....ummm ai answer only in a liberal context. and does not believe in GOD.

Re: No AI in the browser

EBNOW — Mon, 26 Aug 2024 02:14:02 GMT

YOU SAID IT AND I COMPLETELY AGREE!

Re: No AI in the browser

techfox — Mon, 26 Aug 2024 08:23:54 GMT

Kudos to OP and a lot of replies on this conversation. Firefox user activity is dropping dramatically and they continue to focus on things that shouldn't be Firefox's target.

Congrats.

Re: No AI in the browser

WildThing — Mon, 26 Aug 2024 14:20:27 GMT

You're a meme

Re: No AI in the browser

WildThing — Mon, 26 Aug 2024 14:21:27 GMT

I felt it was quite appropriate. Also, I see sources in 90% of the AI browser searches I see. The technology is improving and faster than anyone can predict, and I think that is a -good- thing.

Re: No AI in the browser

WildThing — Mon, 26 Aug 2024 14:23:23 GMT

As you've pointed out the "choice" is to change OS or browser. But I truly feel like Mozilla has done the right thing in taking their time with integration but that curve may leave them behind if they don't offer an optional integrated AI assistant in the very near future, or, as I mentioned in another post, the local OS AIs will begin to API integrate on their own and Mozilla may be left behind entire.

Re: No AI in the browser

indra — Mon, 09 Sep 2024 15:56:12 GMT

I use a fork of Firefox that specifically removes a number of misfeatures, and the industrial lying machine is just the latest in the list.

I don't need to have the internet mansplained to me in sentence-shaped word salad. I have a husband for that.

It seems I won't be switching back to mainline Firefox any time soon.

Re: No AI in the browser

singhh9596 — Mon, 09 Sep 2024 16:16:08 GMT

As much as I agree with this post, I think every company wants a fair share of user data to grow and doesn't want to be left behind just because they started late and remain outdated. Even DuckDuckGo has introduced their AI chatbot and claims it to be secure. Let's hope ff's AI is secure as well and we shall keep checking their terms and conditions for any change in future.

If it still concerns you, I guess ignoring is the only option we have.

Re: No AI in the browser

RogueArchivist — Wed, 11 Sep 2024 13:16:49 GMT

Hello! That sounds exactly like what I've been looking for, what's the name of the fork you're using?

Re: No AI in the browser

tdietterich — Fri, 13 Sep 2024 09:08:08 GMT

I am an AI researcher, and I would love to have an OPTIONAL AI addin. But I have many questions. What data is being sent to the LLM system? Is that data retained? For how long? Can I control the data flow, delete the data, etc? It should be 100% crystal clear when my data is being sent to an AI system and when it is not.

Re: No AI in the browser

raster — Sat, 14 Sep 2024 21:42:21 GMT

Agreed. I do not want to see any AI in Mozilla products. If it does get added I want a way to completely disable it.

Re: No AI in the browser

Jellebelle — Mon, 16 Sep 2024 12:37:58 GMT

What I find quite funny about your example is that the Luddites were correct? The mills were used to diminish the workforce and create more profits for the people who owned the mills, and less money for the communities they operated in. Automation, if it were used to make jobs easier (and not diminish pay and opportunity), would be helpful - but that's not what it's for. Automation is currently and historically a tool for union busting and destruction of skilled jobs, to create more money among fewer people, as we're seeing with the current AI bubble. That people were convinced to use "Luddite" as a term for "people who hate technology" rather than "people who resist their own disenfranchisement" is a major victory in historical propaganda. Also, that these environment-destroying AI companies have convinced you that their future is "inevitable" is another bit of useful propaganda: people don't fight so hard against something they see as inevitable.

The only problem automation was built to solve is "how do I avoid paying humans for their work?" Sometimes, as with cotton mills, there were useful by-products to automation, such as "cheaper and faster creation of cotton". With generative AI*, the ONLY problem it solves is "how do avoid paying for labour". And unlike cotton mills, it doesn't work nearly as well as a person. And as most people are part of the labouring side of the equation, rather than the mill-owning side, it's ridiculously gullible to support something that does not benefit you in the slightest - that was created to disadvantage you, inherently.

Aside from the labour issue, gen AI also just doesn't work. It's solving problems that don't exist. It's like Bit Coin all over again. It creates more problems than it solves. It uses up massive amounts of water and electricity, and creates huge carbon emissions during an accelerating climate crisis.

But they said it was inevitable, and you wouldn't want to look like a Luddite, so I guess you'll support the union-busting, environment-destroying, nonsense-generating machines...

*which is another bit of hilariously transparent propaganda - there is nothing "intelligent" about generative AI. It's an appropriation of a long-understood sci-fi concept that looks NOTHING like gen AI. But because it's labelled "AI" people believe it can think.

Re: No AI in the browser

tdietterich — Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:00:36 GMT

The promise of AI-based assistants for the web is that they can understand enough of your individual context to make decisions on your behalf. But this is a huge privacy challenge. Stated another way, the AI system must surveil you long enough to understand your preferences and your current state (e.g., what you already own vs. what you are shopping for; what you already know vs. what you are trying to discover). I don't want that personal information in the cloud; I will only use it if it runs in a secure environment on my personal machine. This is why any AI capabilities must be optional and run fully locally.

Re: No AI in the browser

WildThing — Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:32:27 GMT

I understand the points you're making. I do believe many of them steel man my original assessment, though.

Is the goal for AI to go away? That is what I was responding to with the "inevitable" terminology.

You are absolutely correct about the historical context of the term Luddite, but to reinforce my point; Did the machinery they were fighting to remove disappear because of the desperate activism of humanity, or further ingenuity creating even more complex technology that eventually overtook it and made it obsolete?

I realize you likely thought you were communicating with a wannabe capitalist, but, to be clear, I believe in the necessity of some form of UBI to combat the obvious revolution in our economic and social systems that this new technology will eventually bring. In fact, down with borders, money and any non-democratic aspects of state.

I advocate for the use of this technology to benefit more than hinder humanity. I acknowledge there are valid reasons to be cautious moving into this new age, but what I'm advocating against is the doomscroll that the type of uninformed comments I was replying to were demonstrating.

You clearly have a greater understanding of the downsides of the technology, and I appreciate that.

Still excited for Mozilla to adopt an (optional, pre-instal) AI assistant into their regular build options.

Good Luck To You

Re: No AI in the browser

flushing-ferret — Thu, 19 Sep 2024 02:57:09 GMT

I don't like having my data stolen to create BS generators. The amount of harm that "Gen AI" has already done is greater than any benefits that it brings. The collection of user data should be opt in and anyone that agrees to have their data scraped is a push over who doesn't actually care about how their data is handled. And especially as data leaks become more common, I don't want this data to fall into the wrong hands, especially if you do anything remotely sensitive in your browser like, I don't know, ONLINE BANKING, where you know, YOUR FULL ACCOUNT NUMBERS ARE AVAILABLE. AI should honestly be severely regulated to the point that it isn't profitable.

Re: No AI in the browser

RattyTatTat — Wed, 02 Oct 2024 21:25:16 GMT

I actually did move to linux mint specifically to avoid generative "AI"

Re: No AI in the browser

RattyTatTat — Wed, 02 Oct 2024 21:26:11 GMT

You people said the same things about NFT's.

Re: No AI in the browser

RattyTatTat — Wed, 02 Oct 2024 21:27:56 GMT

If someone wants to use "Ai" then they should just switch to Chrome, Brave, Edge, or almost every other browser on earth.

Re: No AI in the browser

uneventfullogs — Sat, 02 Nov 2024 19:15:14 GMT

Agreed. Mozilla needs to understand people go to Firefox because it ISN'T chrome.

Re: No AI in the browser

JRV — Mon, 20 Jan 2025 03:12:12 GMT

I joined just so I could add my voice to the group saying no to default AI tools!

And in case this is useful to anyone who sometimes uses google, if you prepend -u to your search terms, you can bypass the automatic gen-AI response.

For example: -u how to fold a fitted sheet

Re: No AI in the browser

Anonymous — Thu, 30 Jan 2025 08:53:46 GMT

AI integration as an addon sounds like a good compromise for people who want it and those who dont.

Re: No AI in the browser

Mephisto — Sun, 09 Feb 2025 21:35:12 GMT

You poor bugger, it must be a really toxic relationship if you use such sexist terms to describe your husband.

Re: No AI in the browser

Mephisto — Sun, 09 Feb 2025 21:55:39 GMT

It is BS to assume that the misuse of new technology by its originators should result in its demonisation. The history of humanity is long, and yet the question of technological misuse has already manifested itself in the form of rudimentary tools such as bows and arrows. The Luddite were nihilistic fools who sought to halt human progress through destruction and violence. This perspective stands in stark contrast to that of social democratic labour movements. Indeed these individuals were "people who resist[ed] their own disenfranchisement", yet they recognised that change is ultimately inevitable and is most justly realised when machines are operated in a rule-based and egalitarian environment, rather than being stormed.

This is precisely why Mozilla must embrace AI to ensure that this technology is designed fairly.

Re: No AI in the browser

BelFox — Wed, 12 Feb 2025 13:59:36 GMT

+1 for separating AI from the Firefox core by offering AI-related products as FF add-ons. Then it is a more deliberate choice to install AI utilities and non-lovers or non-users aren't bothered with the AI hyperbole.

I'm not against AI but I also think usage shouldn't be stimulated unnecessarily in Firefox (simple queries should be made in search engines, not in LLM-trained chatbots, to reduce environmental impact). Best of both worlds, no?

Re: No AI in the browser

d3xbot — Wed, 12 Feb 2025 20:49:07 GMT

Yes! I regularly handle protected data in intranet-based webapps. I use Firefox because I value privacy and keeping my job. If Mozilla integrates AI into Firefox, I can't be sure that the AI won't leak this protected data, even accidentally.

Re: No AI in the browser

d3xbot — Wed, 12 Feb 2025 21:01:29 GMT

Who wrote the words Chat GPT is twisting into the little ditty you asked it to write? Surely not someone who consented to the AI scraping their creative works.

Who drew/painted/photographed the art Dall•E used to make the pictures it makes? Did they consent to having their art scraped? Most of my artist friends have not. One of my artist friends showed on twitter complaining about art being expensive and you should just go on Dall•E and type "Make a painting of ABCXYZ in the style of $ARTISTNAME" instead of paying artists for their professional work. The Twitter user was literally telling people to rip off my friend's art style with AI.

Generative AI is stealing from people and claiming to be original AND using more power than bitcoin to train these schmancy models.

I work in higher education. I've seen so many cases of data leakage through AI accessing datasets it wasn't supposed to be able to access. I can't risk AI having access to the same confidential data I have access to.

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Specially trained AI models that help doctors find cancer? Amazing! I'm here for it.
Specially trained AI models that help programmers find security bugs in their code? Good soup!
AI models that help summarize meetings or translate text or transcribe speech to text? Brilliant. More please.
Most of these specialized or task-based AI models are fairly energy efficient and fairly easy to keep private. They also aren't trained to replicate the copywritten works of creators.

I'm not an AI Luddite, I just believe we need to put appropriate guard rails in place to prevent (or at least limit) AI abuse.

Re: No AI in the browser

d3xbot — Wed, 12 Feb 2025 21:14:20 GMT

THIS! 100%

I work in higher education and everything is moving to the browser. Student records database? Browser app. Financial platform? Been in the browser for ages. Homework and test submission? Browser-based.

And as a consumer, my doctor's office uses a web portal to schedule patient visits, provide us access to our data, and to provide post-visit and post-procedure instructions. My bank requires the use of a web app. My mortgage company and HOA do everything through web portals.

I need to know 100% that no FERPA- or HIPAA-protected information will go NEAR any AI systems - be it for processing/context or training.

Having it be an addon and being able to control which domains it would be able to work on would be, in my opinion, a far better way to do things. Just like Multi-Account Containers!

Re: No AI in the browser

user_68 — Tue, 18 Feb 2025 17:41:03 GMT

Safety features did not exist before implementation of any of the AI searches (or AI anything else) - which makes AI predatory in ways users have no control over unless we all have computer science degrees. I suspect corporate users of AI are making some type of monetary profit from its use, or it would not be foisted on is from every direction.

Re: No AI in the browser

user_68 — Tue, 18 Feb 2025 17:45:06 GMT

That's the crux of the issue: "AI should honestly be severely regulated to the point that it isn't profitable."

Re: No AI in the browser

IlIllIlllllIllI — Wed, 19 Mar 2025 11:12:33 GMT

Agreed, I dont **bleep**ING want this.

Re: No AI in the browser

IlIllIlllllIllI — Wed, 19 Mar 2025 11:17:25 GMT

Screw this, I'm switching to Librewolf. I never asked for this **bleep**.

Remove AI garbage

Rallo — Tue, 13 May 2025 23:12:43 GMT

People asked months ago to NOT include AI anything into our web browser we all use, Mozilla.

You did it anyway because you wanted to chase a trend fuelled by NFTbro rejects jumping to the next big thing.

I've been exclusively a firefox user since 2017 and find it an important piece of tech in the world of web browsers simply for being the last to not bend the knee to Chromium's grasp on the ecosystem. I cannot keep using it if you shove in technology built on stolen data and mass pollution via datacenter atmosphere discharge.

I really did not want to have to switch to some firefox clone, but I may have to now simply out of disappointment of these "new" "features" that went in despite massive backlash. PLEASE remove these features. The whole vertical sidebar, honestly. Preferably, before the AI bubble pops and you're left looking embarrassed as you remove it, anyway.

Re: Remove AI garbage

siffemcon — Wed, 14 May 2025 01:22:13 GMT

To disable AI:

Type about:config in the address bar > press Enter

- click 'Accept the risk and continue'

- search for browser.ml.chat.enabled > change the value to false

To disable the sidebar:

Also in about:config - set sidebar.revamp to false

Re: No AI in the browser

niakurondi — Tue, 20 May 2025 23:29:04 GMT

Ditto that. I just came back to Firefox after about 10 years with Chrome. I'm done with literally every company that puts those three little stars and gimmicky marketing like "powered by AI" by their logo.

Re: No AI in the browser

Iam1 — Wed, 25 Jun 2025 10:41:07 GMT

Yes, please, save us all from Google, Elon Musk, and others of that ilk who wish to foist off their privacy and rights hobbling software upon us! AI isn’t even in its infancy yet, let alone a viable alternative to RI ( Real Intelligence). If you want to play around with it like it’s something real, kindly do so on your own time and leave users in their unawares out of your world domination phantasms! 🤔

Re: No AI in the browser

muttballs — Tue, 22 Jul 2025 22:44:31 GMT

Spyware on my laptop and browser..no thanks
AI is the reason I decide to leave windows for good, and now that's why I'm stop using Firefox...
When I want to use AI, I open a browser tab and make my query, and proceed to close the tab.
Currently trying Vivaldi browser...Is good to have free memory.

Re: No AI in the browser

Agentvirtuel — Wed, 23 Jul 2025 06:30:37 GMT

Hello

To complement, this discussion.

AI Overview, is not related to Firefox.
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1524068#answer-1750418
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1518067
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1494390#answer-1749386

Re: No AI in the browser

fraggedy_andy — Mon, 11 Aug 2025 13:15:00 GMT

I have ZERO interest in including AI chat models in my browser. I really prefer Gecko as a rendering engine. I find that fonts work better, the features on Android are better than Chromium, it's open source and it's another option that keeps the web more open and accessible. I remember the bad old days of Internet Explorer dominance.

However...

I would rather go onto Vivaldi, a browser that has promised no AI than to have to constantly find new flags to shut off in about:config.

AT BEST, AI should be opt-in NOT opt-out. Make it easy to flip that switch, let user telemetry show how many people actually want this feature active and use it. Please don't force the rest of us to work around this "feature".

Re: No AI in the browser

orz — Mon, 11 Aug 2025 15:47:48 GMT

Amen!

I've had weird performance issues in Firefox lately an just saw that there's been a recent issue with performance due to "AI enhanced tab groups". My problem might or might not have been caused by this issue but never the less, stuff like this hurts Firefox reputation.

Personally I feel like AI is a an overrated hype train and I don't want anything AI near my machines. I feel like Mozilla's leadership have made a great misjudgement of their user base if they consider to squeeze in AI wherever. If a browser would advertise with "open source + no AI" then I'm jumping ship.

Re: Remove AI garbage

siffemcon — Fri, 29 Aug 2025 03:53:08 GMT

There are more settings to disable:

Change all to false:

browser.ml.enable

browser.ml.chat.enabled

extensions.ml.enabled

browser.ml.linkPreview.enabled

browser.tabs.groups.smart.enabled

browser.tabs.groups.smart.userEnabled

Re: Remove AI garbage

akewid — Sat, 06 Sep 2025 08:02:40 GMT

thanks all those configs were annoying

Re: Remove AI garbage

nk1 — Mon, 08 Sep 2025 18:46:14 GMT

This worked for me, thank you. Should not be this hard. AI features are fine, and optimally should be opt-in, but if they must be opt-out, it should be a simple exposed user toggle.

As a Mosaic->Netscape->Firefox user I am bummed that I am likely to move to another browser family after more than 30 years. There is no world where I would recommend a browser that needs a bunch of about:config'ing to normal users.

Re: Remove AI garbage

cmcod — Fri, 26 Sep 2025 12:38:12 GMT

Agreed and Mozilla, if there is some mortal reason you must include the Ai in the browser give us One Switch convenient to us (like in the " General" tab) to turn it all on or off.

Re: Remove AI garbage

Deciare — Wed, 08 Oct 2025 21:58:10 GMT

I support making AI features optional (which they already are), but strongly disagree with their removal. Removal of AI features would be actively detrimental to the way I use my browser.

Re: Remove AI garbage

thanosagi — Tue, 14 Oct 2025 06:32:31 GMT

It's baffling to me how it's easier to disable AI assistance in Visual Studio Code than Firefox, because I will always treat Microsoft as the worst offender for many customer-second product decisions.

This shouldn't be this hard for non-tech folks: Give a toggle, click the toggle, prompt for restart. That's it.

Re: Remove AI garbage

platformdecay — Wed, 15 Oct 2025 04:31:00 GMT

Good, maybe YOU should use a different browser then.

Re: Remove AI garbage

btuftin — Wed, 15 Oct 2025 13:23:23 GMT

Just got the latest update with the top new feature being "Shake to summarize". Seriously considering dropping Firefox as my main browser.

NO AI!

rangerdon — Wed, 15 Oct 2025 19:57:58 GMT

I DO NOT want any AI on my computers. How do I insure that FF won't use that on my FF sites?

How to opt out, prevent its operation, block it, or otherwise dump AI travesties from my Firefox?

And while we're at it - although I realize that the amount of user questions necessitate some sort of mediated communication - how do I add an email address to get a reply from an important question? FF has become like many corporations doing everything it can to prevent such answers. How to get around that? How to block Perplexity?

Re: Remove AI garbage

yrds96 — Fri, 17 Oct 2025 05:08:44 GMT

AI features on Firefox aren't optional, they were enabled automatically after the update.

Re: Remove AI garbage

owl7829wg — Wed, 29 Oct 2025 16:09:17 GMT

Strong cosign. Do this, Mozilla, what is wrong with you?

Re: Remove AI garbage

anon67867856785 — Wed, 29 Oct 2025 22:09:52 GMT

SHAME ON FIREFOX TEAM FOR SHOVING AI SLOP DOWN EVERYONE'S THROAT!!!! SHAMEFUL!!!!

I have more than a decade of being a faithful firefox user but you have lost all my respect from now on and will be moving away from this piece of **bleep** software. FKIN SHAMEFUL!!!

Re: Remove AI garbage

bzsawall — Sun, 09 Nov 2025 22:57:08 GMT

opt-out ≠ optional

Re: Remove AI garbage

ChimeraXIII — Wed, 12 Nov 2025 10:35:33 GMT

Strongly Agree. This is gross behavior and if there isn't a fairly prompt fix I'll be leaving too. Ai is unethical and I'm sick of invasive tech and software as well.

Re: Remove AI garbage

tomosu — Sat, 15 Nov 2025 22:02:49 GMT

They should give a no frills option to disable all AI for the users that dislike it. After all, Firefox should be about user choice. A better solution than just one on/off switch for AI would be a whole tab in the Settings with a toggle for AI at the top.This way users get more granular control while keeping nice UX.

Re: Remove AI garbage

Response — Tue, 18 Nov 2025 07:20:11 GMT

The bubble will never pop. Stop living in fear of AI. Problem solved.

Re: Remove AI garbage

raster — Thu, 20 Nov 2025 02:49:07 GMT

AI out of Firefox! So many users do not want it. Keep it out!

Re: Remove AI garbage

zarapierce — Thu, 20 Nov 2025 10:43:05 GMT

I completely understand your frustration with Mozilla’s recent changes and the introduction of AI features, especially given your long-standing loyalty to Firefox. It can be disappointing when a beloved platform shifts direction, especially when the community has voiced its concerns. AI technology, though polarizing, can be a valuable tool if implemented thoughtfully, but I agree that it’s crucial to consider the ethical implications of its use, including data privacy and environmental impact. I hope Mozilla listens to its user base and reverts these changes. If you're interested in learning more about AI’s role in tech and its future, you can check out my blog on How AI is Shaping Video Production

Re: Remove AI garbage

ChimeraXIII — Thu, 20 Nov 2025 11:39:10 GMT

I am not afraid. Im disgusted by the ethical trashfire of developmentand implementationof theses programs, ecological destruction and heavy association with hate groups like neo-nazis and pedophiles.

I adore technology and there is a place for machine learning. It sure as hell isn't in art, mental health services, or my browser harvesting my data like a grimdark wiretap.

Grow up and realize people who oppose Ai aren't luddites scared of technology. They are adults with genuine concerns about privacy, ethical development and social awareness.

Re: Remove AI garbage

Agentvirtuel — Wed, 17 Dec 2025 17:17:31 GMT

Hello

For my part, i like to be able to take a look at a page before, eventually, to click on the page.

Addition, https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/discussions/ai-features-request-for-an-opt-in-update-model/m-p/113360/highlight/true#M43944

Re: Remove AI garbage

Devilpants — Sat, 22 Nov 2025 21:34:16 GMT

It's shameful enough that this genAI slop was forced into the browser against the wishes of the majority userbase to please a vocal minority, but it's so much worse that it's opt-out -- and on top of that, that the people who don't want it had to go into about:config to disable it, instead of giving us a nice normal settings menu. It's disgusting and it reeks of sleazy desperation on the part of mozilla's out-of-touch leadership. It makes me wonder how much they are being paid by genAI grifters to do this.

Re: Remove AI garbage

0x0ada — Fri, 28 Nov 2025 10:51:55 GMT

If it's going to be on then yes, it needs to be a first class option. However, there is NO reason why AI should be on by default.

Re: Remove AI garbage

projektnano — Sat, 29 Nov 2025 00:54:58 GMT

I find the whole AI, no matter where, highly disturbing and non-professional from Mozilla. They need to make it easier to completely remove it, which is why it should be an add-on instead. A browser is a browser, keep it that way.

Re: Remove AI garbage

follycake — Sun, 30 Nov 2025 17:45:27 GMT

Agree! This kind of stuff should really be an extension, not integrated directly within projects.

Re: Remove AI garbage

LGZ — Sat, 06 Dec 2025 02:03:44 GMT

Adding these proprietary chatbots to Firefox conflicts with the Mozilla Manifesto, in particular Principals 2, 4, 6, 7, 8 and 10. It also conflicts with Firefox's marketing of, "Enhance your privacy," and "Privacy built in." It feels like Mozilla has abandoned it's principals by chasing the latest boondoggle. Mozilla should not be pushing AIs like ChatGPT and Copilot on users that are fundamentally at odds with it's purposes.

Re: Remove AI garbage

Heavyboots — Mon, 01 Dec 2025 23:33:56 GMT

As long as they continue to use ml for their AI settings, a search for "ml*enable" is a pretty good way to find the on/off toggles for anything and everything.

Re: Remove AI garbage

Anonymous — Wed, 03 Dec 2025 21:51:49 GMT

mozillas bitter harvest.

Re: Remove AI garbage

bugAndy — Fri, 05 Dec 2025 04:01:20 GMT

holy **bleep** literally

hell one of the reasons i switched to firefox was because of their reputation of no ai **bleep**, anf now they got the **bleep** fox bouncing on the dicks of brainless ai investors because i guess they lost their spines somewhere in the sewers

atp, the only reason im still on this **bleep** isnt even because of firefox, its because of ublock origin

and idgaf what anyone says; if i gotta do some bull**bleep** to disable useless ai features that were AUTOMATICALLY ENABLED without my knowledge, its annoying at best and shady as **bleep** at worst

Re: Remove AI garbage

0x0ada — Sat, 06 Dec 2025 02:02:02 GMT

AI wrote this response, I can tell.

Re: Remove AI garbage

JustStopAISucks — Wed, 10 Dec 2025 13:31:15 GMT

What is it with you people and "fear"? Not everything is a phobia. We are not "afraid" of AI, we just simply hate it. And no, problem is NOT solved. You sound vaccinated.

Re: Remove AI garbage

LindaLisdotter — Wed, 10 Dec 2025 20:36:42 GMT

Well said. I was thinking of posting many of your points.

Re: Remove AI garbage

Dynalkome — Wed, 10 Dec 2025 21:19:51 GMT

I came here to share my disapproval as well, was browsing like normal when a massive pop-up randomly appeared giving me an AI summary of a link (wtf???) Why would I want this? Why would anyone want this? I went deep into my settings and turned off every single AI option I could find (they were all on by default btw) I'm beyond disappointed. Will be heavily considering alternative browsers if they ever pull something like this again. I'd prefer that AI was removed completely from my browser, but I guess the money they could earn from stuffing unnecessary AI bloat into firefox was too enticing?

Re: Remove AI garbage

LindaLisdotter — Wed, 10 Dec 2025 22:39:43 GMT

Yes, it's disappointing that FF has shifted to an unethical implementation of AI. Sure, AI can be useful, but the ethical considerations are extremely important. It should have been implemented as an opt in or better yet, as an add on. I am capable of futzing with my config, but I don't have the energy or time to do that. And once I do, people who shouldn't futz with their configs will ask me to help them and blame me, if they get it wrong. I want it to be easy for me and for everyone else who doesn't make a hobby of futzing with the guts of the software they use.

Re: NO AI!

ari133 — Fri, 12 Dec 2025 01:49:34 GMT

Just giving us a toggle or making it opt in would be ideal. I don't want a pop-up in my browser I didn't ask for. It's spam.

Re: Remove AI garbage

Dvd-Znf — Sun, 14 Dec 2025 21:45:47 GMT

offtopic, but: i have never seen anyone censor in text by typing "**bleep**"
kinda wholesome :3

Re: No AI in the browser

user_68 — Sun, 14 Dec 2025 21:49:03 GMT

In addition to huge privacy issues, there are plenty of copyright problems at issue, also i.e. theft of original content, literally. YouTube channels and videos are a cautionary tale attesting to that. Those are both problems due to unregulated AI which has not ever been able to differentiate between fact and fiction when it uses what it has data-mined.
We need a choice of whether or not to activate AI in browers and search engines instead of having it having it dumped on us to replace what works. As it is, how can there not be profit involved, otherwise it would not be used without us having a choice of when and if we make use of the feature.

Re: No AI in the browser

user_68 — Sun, 14 Dec 2025 22:12:19 GMT

I laughed when I read: "The promise of AI-based assistants for the web is that they can understand enough of your individual context to make decisions on your behalf."
Why would I want AI to make decisions on my behalf? Truly. It is worse than a three year old doing so. I suggest it was a "threat" not a "promise"! <smile> I totally agree with the remainder of your comment.

An example from today? I looked up "Oman typhoon" to see what damage the typhoon had done there. It gave me some military aircraft information. Really? No more fuzzy database searches, but assumptions, only - approximately eight on the page all about aircraft?

Fact is, gramatically, "typhoon" would have been capitalized as a name of an aircraft had I known it existed and wanted to search it. That result of AI making a search decision on my behalf suggests a programming problem. Fuzzy database searches are still the best, without being limiting, and are more likely to return useful results.

Re: No AI in the browser

user_68 — Sun, 14 Dec 2025 22:17:25 GMT

Thanks for the search suggestion! I will wee what it does, although as soon as we figure out how to bypass what google wants, it figures out a way to make it dysfunctional, so perhaps it no longer works.

No AI in Firefox

neondream — Tue, 16 Dec 2025 23:09:45 GMT

I, like many other users, switched to Firefox from other browsers because it didn't push AI. If AI is going to be implemented into Firefox I will have to go and move to a different browser. Based on what I'm seeing online I think many others will be moving on as well. Terrible that he new CEO doesn't care about the user bases needs. If we wanted AI we would be using an AI browser, there is no shortage of slop machines.

Re: No AI in the browser

jyrikson00 — Wed, 17 Dec 2025 01:55:54 GMT

There's not an insignificant portion of the userbase who switched to firefox specifically to get away from Chromium. Why should the one browser built on different tools evolve to be the exact same thing? You seriously think you're going to get more customers by ignoring your own niche to chase a trend?

If it's an optional extension, everybody wins. There is literally no reason to incinerate all the goodwill you get from BOTH parties by making it not default.