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The more you push for updates, the least I will comply.

mozilla_debug — Sat, 23 Dec 2023 14:38:38 GMT

I have a few customizations, including tabs below bookmarks and every upgrade so far has caused a lot of issues, taking hours on my end to re-enable my preferred settings. I've been deferring updates - I need no improvements, which are just going to make my experience worse. Now I get update popups every day. Let me tell you this: The more you push for updates, the more I will resist. That's just human nature.

Re: The more you push for updates, the least I will comply.

Agentvirtuel — Tue, 26 Dec 2023 15:53:24 GMT

Hello

Moving Firefox to a faster 4-week release cycle
https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2019/09/17/moving-firefox-to-a-faster-4-week-release-cycle

Firefox Release Calendar
https://whattrainisitnow.com/calendar

Other information
From Firefox 63 https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/63.0/releasenotes
The option to Never check for updates was removed from about:preferences. You can use the DisableAppUpdate enterprise policy as a substitute.
DisableAppUpdate https://mozilla.github.io/policy-templates/#disableappupdate if you prefer

Other illustration Option 1: Disable Updates using Enterprise Policy JSON
https://www.youtube.com/embed/wiWZOm_UX30

But, take a look
Mozilla Foundation Security Advisories
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories

Manage updates, it's your choice

Use the Troubleshooting Information page to help fix Firefox issues
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/use-troubleshooting-information-page-fix-firefox
Enterprise Policies: This shows you if your browser is being managed by Windows Group Policy or a policies.json file. If enterprise policies are managing Firefox, clicking on Active will show you a list of the policies that are currently active on Firefox. Illustration below

Alternatively, you can use Firefox ESR
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/switch-to-firefox-extended-support-release-esr

What is your Firefox version?

What happens to my profile if I downgrade to a previous version of Firefox?
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/dedicated-profiles-firefox-installation#w_what-happens-to-my-profile-if-i-downgrade-to-a-previous-version-of-firefox
Note: Downgrade protection can be overridden by launching Firefox through the command line with the --allow-downgrade parameter.

firefox.exe --allow-downgrade

@mozilla_debug wrote:
I have a few customizations, including tabs below bookmarks

Is this ? about tabs below

With Firefox 4.0 tab bar level (right click) the choice is possible
[box checked] Tab bar above = Tab bar above
[unchecked] Tab bar above = Tab bar below

With version 113.0.1, the tab bar is back at the top where I loath having it
https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/discussions/with-version-113-0-1-the-tab-bar-is-back-at-the-top-where-i/m-p/31933/highlight/true#M11981

Firefox advanced customization and configuration options
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-advanced-customization-and-configuration
userChrome.css and .js and userContent are unsupported
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/userchromecss-js-usercontent-unsupported

Advanced customization only lasts for a while

https://www.reddit.com/r/FirefoxCSS

Option of putting the tabs BELOW the address bar
https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/ideas/option-of-putting-the-tabs-below-the-address-bar/idi-p/2382

Re: The more you push for updates, the least I will comply.

mozilla_debug — Tue, 26 Dec 2023 18:16:14 GMT

I will have to set some time aside to go through all the info, but a lot of it looks familiar, obsolete, already tried and no longer working. I do not want to disable updates, and I do not want to make system changes that I will not remember later. I want to decide myself when updates are reasonable, and not be bothered with pesky popups every day. Simple as that. Bye the way, I'm not using MS-Windows.

About tabs below bookmarks. I'm tried of researching and editing userChrome.css. Why I have to move my mouse over all sorts of page real-estate and info to choose different tabs and potentially destroy info is beyond my understanding of logic.

Re: The more you push for updates, the least I will comply.

Agentvirtuel — Tue, 26 Dec 2023 19:13:13 GMT

According to this, and it's a code found on the web

/* Tabs below address bar */ :root{ --uc-titlebar-padding: 0px; } @media (-moz-os-version: windows-win10){ :root[sizemode="maximized"][tabsintitlebar]{ --uc-titlebar-padding: 8px } } #toolbar-menubar[autohide="true"] > .titlebar-buttonbox-container, #TabsToolbar > .titlebar-buttonbox-container{ position: fixed; display: block; top: var(--uc-titlebar-padding,0px); right:0; height: 40px; } :root[uidensity="compact"] #TabsToolbar > .titlebar-buttonbox-container{ height: 32px } #toolbar-menubar[inactive] > .titlebar-buttonbox-container{ opacity: 0 } #navigator-toolbox{ padding-top: var(--uc-titlebar-padding,0px) !important; } .titlebar-buttonbox-container > .titlebar-buttonbox{ height: 100%; } #titlebar{ order: 2; -moz-appearance: none !important; --tabs-navbar-shadow-size: 0px; } .titlebar-placeholder, #TabsToolbar .titlebar-spacer{ display: none; } #navigator-toolbox::after{ display: none !important; } @media (-moz-gtk-csd-close-button){ .titlebar-button{ flex-direction: column } } :root{ --uc-window-control-width: 0px !important } #navigator-toolbox{ padding-top: calc(29px + var(--uc-titlebar-padding,0px)) !important } #toolbar-menubar{ position: fixed; display: flex; top: var(--uc-titlebar-padding,0px); height: 29px; width: 100%; overflow: hidden; } #toolbar-menubar > .titlebar-buttonbox-container{ height: 29px; order: 100; } #toolbar-menubar > [flex]{ flex-grow: 100; } #toolbar-menubar > spacer[flex]{ order: 99; flex-grow: 1; min-width: var(--uc-window-drag-space-width,20px); } #toolbar-menubar .titlebar-button{ padding: 2px 17px !important; } #toolbar-menubar .toolbarbutton-1 { --toolbarbutton-inner-padding: 3px }

It also works under Linux

Clarification
Bookmarks in Firefox
In my screenshots, you can't see the star in the address bar
It's normal, for reason, i use a userChrome.css code
#star-button-box {display:none!important;}
https://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=3114663

Re: The more you push for updates, the least I will comply.

James2 — Fri, 29 Dec 2023 16:22:36 GMT

I am upset because you want me to sync across all devices and I have work and private devices so I don't I assume that somehow this has deleted my saved passwords for the updated device. In the course of the last 2 years this has deleted them twice. I am not a happy camper about this

Re: The more you push for updates, the least I will comply.

Agentvirtuel — Fri, 29 Dec 2023 18:31:28 GMT

Hello

These information

Export login data from Firefox
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/export-login-data-firefox

Import login data from a file
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/import-login-data-file

And see also Password manager
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/password-manager-remember-delete-edit-logins#w_managing-usernames-and-passwords
Import from file...

Other information, just in case
If Import from file... does not appear, to enable it, go to Firefox's configuration editor (the about:config page), look for the signon.management.page.fileImport.enabled preference and set its value to true

Configuration Editor for Firefox
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/about-config-editor-firefox
Search preference signon.management.page.fileImport.enabled

Other subject
From time to time, make a backup of the contents of your profile folder
https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/discussions/upgrading-your-computer-and-moving-your-firefox-data/m-p/48032/highlight/true#M17142
For illustration purposes, retrieve contents from profile folder

Re: The more you push for updates, the least I will comply.

mozilla_debug — Wed, 03 Jan 2024 11:55:43 GMT

Thanks for all the noise, but you obviously don't understand what this is all about. I want my tabs below bookmarks - not just below the address field. Anyhow, I don't need help coding, and believe me, I can search the web and find answers myself. And btw there's much more to it, because you also have to enable custom style sheets, etc. Like I said, I'm sick and tired of coding/modifying css for the simple reason to have my tabs below bookmarks. I'm getting these pesky update notifications multiple times a day, and guess what, I simply won't update. Enough of this nonsense to have updates shoved down my throat whenever the developers want to. Whoever is in charge of Firefox needs to make better decisions. I've been using Firefox since 1.0 and it used to be a great experience, but since version 68 or whatever, I've simply had it. Goodbye!

Re: The more you push for updates, the least I will comply.

Agentvirtuel — Wed, 03 Jan 2024 12:36:55 GMT

Hello

Firefox advanced customization and configuration options
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-advanced-customization-and-configuration
This also applies to Thunderbird. Please refer to Thunderbird's article

userChrome.css and .js and userContent are unsupported
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/userchromecss-js-usercontent-unsupported

So it's best not to use advanced customization it only lasts for a while

Trigger warning: discussion of userChrome.css
https://support.mozilla.org/fr/forums/contributors/716296?last=85514#post-85381

Option of putting the tabs BELOW the address bar
https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/ideas/option-of-putting-the-tabs-below-the-address-bar/idi-p/2382

@mozilla_debug wrote:
and guess what, I simply won't update.

ok, manage updates, it's your choice

Other illustration https://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=3117322

Re: The more you push for updates, the least I will comply.

Agentvirtuel — Wed, 03 Jan 2024 17:56:21 GMT

Waterfox
Tab bar position? apparently it's possible

So why can't Firefox do it?

Re: The more you push for updates, the least I will comply.

GrizzlyAK — Thu, 25 Apr 2024 19:58:14 GMT

WHAT?! This looks awesome! I'm definitely going to have to give this a go. It could be a replacement for Firefox. I'm SO fed up with Mozilla and the primadonna devs who make our lives miserable, just because they can. Thanks for putting this here. I think I'll support this OS project.