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How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

ania — Fri, 25 Feb 2022 22:56:21 GMT

Hi!

My name is Ania - I'm a part of the Firefox Desktop Product team, and I'm excited to start a conversation with Firefox Community on Mozilla Connect.

Our team's recent work focused on some exciting updates to the video experience and Picture-in-Picture, and we want to take it even further - with your help.

We would love to hear what can make your experience with watching videos (in tabs and PiP) and live streams in Firefox better and more fun. No idea is too big or small, and we are as open to discussing big "blue sky" ideas as we are to introducing new handy keyboard shortcuts.

I will be checking this thread multiple times a day, and I'm looking forward to your feedback!

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

ali1234 — Tue, 01 Mar 2022 19:47:59 GMT

Prevent the tab audio icon from hiding the site favicon so that I can still visually identify Youtube tabs when they are playing. Do this while keeping the audio icon visible, so that I can still mute tabs. In other words, put it back to how it was prior to Firefox 89.

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

ania — Tue, 01 Mar 2022 20:13:27 GMT

Thank you! The audio icon replaces the site favicon only when you hover on the tab, but I agree that having the tab audio icon and favicon always remain visible when audio is playing will make it easier to find "noisy" tabs.

Are there any other scenarios where the current icon/favicon behavior doesn't work for you?

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

ali1234 — Tue, 01 Mar 2022 20:19:54 GMT

The audio icon always replaces the favicon in compact mode, which should be restored as a fully supported option, but that is an idea for a different thread, which I note somebody else has already created.

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

lovelyjubbly — Tue, 01 Mar 2022 20:36:16 GMT

No idea is too big or small, and we are as open to discussing big "blue sky" ideas

OK I have kind of a weird idea. What if I could drag and resize the video from within the page itself.

Take this YouTube example or a YouTube video embedded on a page. Instead of YouTube's own controls, I somehow click the edge of the video and drag it to an arbitrary size I want. Maybe the act of resizing the video pushes the contents of the page around or just overlays it. So it's sort of like the PiP mode (which allows resizing), but still within the page.

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

ania — Tue, 01 Mar 2022 23:07:15 GMT

Thank you, lovelyjubbly. In what cases/situations would you like to resize a video in page rather than in a separate view like Picture-in-Picture?

Speaking of blue sky ideas, and if you're looking to isolate in-page content, not just videos, would it be helpful if you could "screenshot" any area of the page and put it in a standalone window, like Picture-in-Picture?

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

lovelyjubbly — Tue, 01 Mar 2022 23:45:54 GMT

The NASA page https://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/videogallery/index.html is a good example. If you view it on desktop you'll see their video is pretty tiny. I start watching it and realise I'm squinting. "Is this a video for ants!" So I drag and resize that video a bit larger.

For your second question, that's really interesting idea but can't think of when I'd do that, except for video of course. Or an image maybe, a gif even, but just as a novelty factor (by which I mean memes).

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

CD — Wed, 02 Mar 2022 00:17:40 GMT

Volume control buttons and buttons to skip forwards / backwards 10 seconds at least would be really nice.

If it can't be universal (I know different sites have different formats that might break it or something) it would be nice if Mozilla tried to support the major sites like YouTube or Twitch.

You may even want to make a Hotbar button thing to start Picture-In-Picture mode for a tab because I doubt many people can remember the shortcut for it to be useful for them regularly lol.

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

jack1 — Wed, 02 Mar 2022 04:23:55 GMT

Maybe make an adblocker feature. I think that that could speed up videos and make the performance better. Or maybe make ublock origin built-in, as a feature.

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

T9 — Wed, 02 Mar 2022 17:59:58 GMT

Do you know what I like about PIP in FF? (No other browser)

On double-clicking it, it maximizes. I discovered this when I wanted to maximize it and surprisingly that happened. Plus, left and right arrows can be pressed for skipping.

These details prevent me to leave FF. Vivaldi has too many features on comparison, its team has stopped looking for details which makes it not a decent browser.

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

ania — Wed, 02 Mar 2022 17:44:53 GMT

Thank you, CD. We have the volume slider and playhead scrubber support on our roadmap (and you are correct, it would require site-specific adapters for supported websites).

Do you find that skipping back/forward 10-15 seconds is a more common case for you than using a full-on scrubber for you?

Thank you for the hotbar suggestion - we'll look into it. I agree that the current shortcut is a bit complex indeed, especially on mac.

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

ania — Wed, 02 Mar 2022 17:51:43 GMT

Hi Jack1,

We'll look into it, but at a first glance this a good candidate feature for an add-on. Video adblockers already exist for Youtube and Twitch.

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

ania — Wed, 02 Mar 2022 18:00:00 GMT

Thank you, T9, I have passed along your kudo to the team members that made this and other enhancements to PiP. It warms our hearts when people notice small convenient things we add to the product when we have a chance.

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

ania — Wed, 02 Mar 2022 18:02:08 GMT

Thank you, lovelyjubbly, this is really helpful.

We'll look into the first case - it would most likely be disruptive to the websites' layouts to do so (and reorganize the rest of the website grid), but might be doable for select websites.

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

ania — Wed, 02 Mar 2022 18:39:12 GMT

We're also pretty close to landing this ticket to make full-screen mode even more convenient.

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

brochard — Wed, 02 Mar 2022 22:11:38 GMT

On mobile at least, double clicking should skip forward and backward, using your finger to scroll is hard and not precise

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

Guest — Thu, 03 Mar 2022 02:30:29 GMT

When I right click and show controls on a video, don't let the website hide them again.

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

Guest — Thu, 03 Mar 2022 02:32:05 GMT

Add the rest of the playback controls to picture in picture mode. Right now there's only play and pause, so there's some back-and-forth when I need to seek around or something.

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

Guest — Thu, 03 Mar 2022 02:33:36 GMT

Make "save video" work in more cases.

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

T9 — Thu, 03 Mar 2022 03:26:33 GMT

Happy happy, I am. 😃😄

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

CD — Thu, 03 Mar 2022 11:25:38 GMT

I only usually use the slider bar to skip back to the beginning of a video if I want to see it again or skip a large portion I know I don't want to watch, and this would usually be done before I would use Picture-In-Picture mode.

If I am using Picture-In-Picture mode in the first place there's an extremely good chance that the video isn't my primary focus (despite it being on top of the screen) but if I see something exciting or a streamer laughing uncontrollably for instance I would just need to click a "rewind 10 seconds" button twice, as of now I have to send the video back to the tab to do an action like that which is annoying and oftentimes why I avoid Picture-In-Picture mode.

One thing that would be game changing is playback controls for tutorials, as of now most of the time I have my program shrunk on one side of the screen (if even possible) and the video on the other, being able to pause and rewind a resizable video overlay that you don't have to alt-tab back to would make literally everything about learning new things much better and would be almost novel (Windows Media Player has a similar thing but involves downloading the video to the PC and the 30 seconds skipping it has is much too large of a skip for me in most cases).

I also just thought that you could make a small pop-up for starting Picture-In-Picture mode near the search bar (that might get annoying to some people though) or Right-Click the tab with the option to Picture-In-Picture mode the video content if the Hotbar option doesn't work.

Lastly I just remembered sometimes I browse forums that link a lot of YouTube videos, I open up a couple of Picture-In-Picture mode for the tab, close the tab (because I don't want to read the forums anymore) and the video disappears unexpectedly (I know they're connected to the tab but a lot of time it catches me off guard). It would be nice to be able to close the tabs (or even "exit" Firefox) without the videos closing but I know that would probably be a whole can of worms to deal with (and could see people being confused why the videos didn't close too) so I understand this never being implemented. Maybe a prompt that closing a certain tab will close a Picture-In-Picture mode video (with a checkbox to ignore that warning it the future) would suffice for most people (it would for me anyways lol)

Thanks for replying!

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

CD — Thu, 03 Mar 2022 11:52:57 GMT

@T9 wrote:
Do you know what I like about PIP in FF? (No other browser)
On double-clicking it, it maximizes. I discovered this when I wanted to maximize it and surprisingly that happened. Plus, left and right arrows can be pressed for skipping.

I had no idea this was a feature I only tried the J / L commands for sites like YouTube this changes everything thank you for posting that!

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

ania — Thu, 03 Mar 2022 20:09:11 GMT

I'm curious how do you usually discover keyboard shortcuts in the browser and other applications? We would love to make them more discoverable in Firefox (right now, they are published in Picture-in-Picture/about, but I understand that people don't routinely read support articles).

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

ania — Thu, 03 Mar 2022 20:17:25 GMT

Thank you! This (playhead scrubber) is something we hope to be able to work in the near future.

I'm curious what is a more common case for you: scrubbing the whole video when looking for the right frame/scene or moving the video 10-15 seconds back/forward?

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

ania — Thu, 03 Mar 2022 20:33:11 GMT

Hello! Do you mean saving video via Video DownloadHelper or another add-on?

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

ania — Thu, 03 Mar 2022 20:34:25 GMT

Mobile Picture-in-Picture is an OS-level feature over which we don't have any control, unfortunately.

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

Guest — Thu, 03 Mar 2022 20:35:33 GMT

I look through menus, which list commands along with the keyboard shortcut!

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

ania — Thu, 03 Mar 2022 22:32:00 GMT

Thank you, CD, your feedback is super helpful and would be really valuable with making decisions on how additional playback controls should look like in PiP.

Regarding tutorials - I just wanted to confirm that I understood the case correctly - will "rewind 10-15 seconds" be particularly helpful in tutorials (vs a full-on playhead scrubber)?

Right now, you can do this via a combination of keyboard shortcuts in PiP:

left/right arrow to seek back/forward
space for pause/play

A button near the search bar or right-click menu works well for pages with one embedded video, but I feel like the experience becomes more confusing on pages with multiple embedded videos.

> Re PiP behavior on closing the tab - we have looked into this functionality because we felt similarly, but there are some security concerns with the implementation. It will probably not be on our radar this year.

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

Guest — Thu, 03 Mar 2022 22:49:35 GMT

short moves more common

nevertheless, the request remains as "the rest of the playback controls," including the seek bar thing 😆

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

Guest — Thu, 03 Mar 2022 22:40:47 GMT

Not even with an add-on, actually! Did you know that on some sites you can "just" save videos with stock Firefox? Try here https://tekeye.uk/html/html5-video-test-page -- right-click the video, and there will be a command in the menu to save the video.

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

Anonymous — Thu, 03 Mar 2022 23:53:41 GMT

PiP mode could use better sizing control. The ability to size a video perfectly to the resolution it's playing at would be great. Also, there's no way to change the video's time without going to the original player, and I feel like that feature would be useful.

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

vincentj — Fri, 04 Mar 2022 03:06:07 GMT

I'd love if there was an option to fully pre-buffer videos on any site. My internet service is not reliable and it would be nice to pause and buffer more than 1-2 minutes when my internet is running super slow.
It would be nice if we could increase the playback speed on sites that don't support it, like Vimeo.
It'd be great if Firefox could post-buffer (not sure if that's the correct term) streaming video, allowing us to pause on sites like Twitch, and then resume playback where we left off. It would also allow left arrow to step back a few seconds, and we could increase the playback speed or use right arrow until the video content matches up with the live stream. Essentially I want Firefox to enable the same functionality that MS Teams/YouTube live streams offer - even on sites that don't natively support it - by emulating it on the client side.

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

T9 — Fri, 04 Mar 2022 03:22:05 GMT

I didn't know PIP had more controls. You are right about some of us. Sometimes we don't read articles to find shortcuts.

There's a solution to this problem. How about showing the tip to user about specific feature (with a notification or something which leads to another webpage) when the user starts using it more frequently?

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

alexdelorenzo — Fri, 04 Mar 2022 06:22:11 GMT

I'd like the ability to right click a video and have the option to download it. I'd also like an option to right click a video and get a direct URL that points to it. It would also be nice to be able to right click a video and have the option of copying the HTTP headers that were used in the request that loaded the video.

I'd like more controls in the PiP window, like the ability to seek, skip or stop, or change playback speed, along with volume controls, as well as a minimize button next to the exit button.

On KDE Plasma Desktop, the PiP window does not float above all other windows, including Firefox's browser windows. That means when you open a video in PiP, the PiP window will end up hiding behind the browser when you go to interact with the browser.

I had to make a special Kwin rule in order to keep the PiP window above others:

[Window settings for Picture-in-Picture] Description=Window settings for Picture-in-Picture above=true aboverule=3 title=Picture-in-Picture titlematch=1 wmclass=firefox wmclassmatch=1

The ability to cast a video or tab to a Chromecast or Roku would be nice, as well.

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

alexdelorenzo — Fri, 04 Mar 2022 06:19:40 GMT

For example, on YouTube, the cinema/theater mode for viewing videos doesn't really optimize for size on some displays. Sometimes using that mode doesn't increase the size of the video at all. There are instances where the ability to resize the YouTube video player would optimize the screen real estate the video takes up even after enabling theater mode.

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

penda — Fri, 04 Mar 2022 20:37:50 GMT

Some improved support for mp4, I sometimes have display issues (blank).

Bottom video displays as black on Firefox, top platys no issues.

Checked using VLC (where the video plays). Perhaps a frame-rate issue as that's the only difference I can note other than resolution.

Nightly99

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

brochard — Fri, 04 Mar 2022 21:47:41 GMT

You can't skip forward and backward in the mobile firefox player (without picture-in-picture) I think

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

KERR — Sat, 05 Mar 2022 11:08:58 GMT

Perhaps the buttons could move by percentage instead of time? Eg 10-15sec won't work well for short videos. Just a thought

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

KERR — Sat, 05 Mar 2022 11:12:29 GMT

Just a heads up about chromecast - since you're at the mercy of google and their closed-source, constantly updating firmware, I don't think FF could ever properly support it. It's a bit like Apple stuff, you might be able to "hack" it to work, but it's really just designed to do what google allows it to do sadly.

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

KERR — Sat, 05 Mar 2022 11:23:09 GMT

Some small suggestions:

Improve the "buffering" overlay which obscures loading video - Edge is much better in this regard. FF example below:

Add a border for the PiP window - it's sometimes hard to see where the edges are!
Make the built-in HTML5 video controls a bit easier to click - they're tiny!
Make the PiP function more discoverable - I'm sure many people don't know it exists, and on TikTok for example, it doesn't seem to show up for me
Allow us to change the aspect ratio for PiP - edge case perhaps - but vertical videos (which often have the bars on the sides just waste space:

Thanks!

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

Spider-Man — Fri, 11 Mar 2022 22:07:07 GMT

I don't know what changed in this months Firefox Nightly updates, but never before has it been freezing up excessively while watching videos on say youtube for example. Prior it was working no problem. Now? It freezes up at least 4-5 times a day regardless of how many tabs I have open. My system hasn't changed, is fully up to date and is a very powerful system. so... I think Nightly's recent updates have broken something. just trying to navigate at times causes the browser to freeze with nothing able to be done to fix so sometimes it has to be forced closed. Seems to indicate GPU interface problems.

EDIT 3.7.22

I switched up GPU's from Intel to Nvidia and this so far has seemed to stop the freezing. This would seem to indicate that one of the updates to Firefox Nightly basically has broken Intel GPU functionality & stability as it was working flawlessly for years prior to this. Definitely thinking an Intel GPU compatibility problem with latest Nightly updates.

EDIT 3.8.22 Turns out I spoke to soon. Switching GPU's only helped a little temporarily. The freezing is still ongoing. unbelievable. it's not even just when watching videos but just regular browsing! man this is annoying. How do you break the browser that badly after years of it working fine?! unbelievable. Now I gotta switch to another one. Great job Mozilla. 🤦‍

EDIT 3.11.22 The latest update to Firefox Developer Edition has rendered Firefox DE useless. It is now crashing and/or freezing even worse than Nightly Edition continues to do so. The last update was I believe this week and has completely broken Firefox DE. Sad. I can't even use it now. I don't even want to update Firefox regular edition now as it is the last browser standing from this flawed "update" that seems to be making all mozilla browsers completely useless.

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

alexdelorenzo — Mon, 07 Mar 2022 01:25:17 GMT

YouTube might be pushing codecs to your system that doesn't have hardware decoding ability on your hardware. Are you on Windows, macOS or Linux?

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

xUxSxExR — Mon, 07 Mar 2022 01:31:08 GMT

Please add some basic VLC functions, like speed control to it. Also a headphone-option, to play only audio would be great.

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

alexdelorenzo — Mon, 07 Mar 2022 01:34:42 GMT

Agree with all of that, however the Chromecast does support 3rd party applications that allow you cast tabs and content, and the CASTV2 protocol, along with the DIAL protocol, are used by hardware outside of Google's. For example, the Roku, Fire Stick and related products support CASTV2 and DIAL despite not being Chromecasts or Google's products, and iPhones and iPads support screen casting to Chromecasts.

But beyond proprietary hardware, there are protocols like Miracast and others that exist that are meant to be cross platform.

As it stands, if someone wants to take something they're viewing in their browsers on their TVs, they'll need to use Chrome/Chromium, Google products or Apple products.

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

Spider-Man — Mon, 07 Mar 2022 06:48:46 GMT

windows 11 pro. fully up to date. all other browsers working perfect like normal. Nightly was working perfectly up until a couple weeks ago. Now it freezes up and crashes CONSTANTLY. The only thing that has changed is Nightly. Something has been broken in the latest updates. The other firefox browsers I use prove this and I never changed or added anything to Nightly. I've restarted, kept it up to date. and it's still doing it. What was done to firefox nightly within the last few weeks in how it handles basic video platforms? that should be the question. My system is a gaming laptop, fully up to date and functioning fine in every other regard.

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

shanen — Wed, 09 Mar 2022 19:33:14 GMT

Actually came across this thread trying to find something about the recent removal of the "refresh" icon.

I guess that reflects a bug in your search engine? Or just more evidence of how little Firefox actually cares about what the users want? Every day it seems like Firefox is trying to make it harder to stay with Firefox.

But I still prefer to focus on the financial model side. Would I donate for a better "video experience"? Probably not, but if enough people want to, then that's fine with me.

Would I donate to remove the refresh icon. Absolutely not. Actually, it is extremely annoying and I am trying to imagine what y'all were thinking of. (Or hide it? And yes, I do know about the <F5> and <CTRL><R> options.)

There are lots of features I might donate to support. Too bad I can't find them and even worse that Firefox doesn't offer anything approaching a mechanism to help direct my donations towards the features I'd like to support. Y'all keep guessing what I want. Sometimes you guess badly, but most of the time you guess worse than that.

(Like the current not "signed in" status, eh? Why would I care if you don't care? (So it got erased, but I had a copy in the clipboard. As user experiences go, that is not good.))

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

dasnapper — Wed, 09 Mar 2022 20:38:41 GMT

Hi Ania,

I'm a longtime Firefox user, and have some feedback:

- I was interested to see how version 98 would react during my regular use, and noticed the download window is problematic for me. I often have several downloads happening at once or quite often, and the download window staying present blocks my view. Is there a way of hiding or disabling it?

- it's a great idea to have a mute button in a tab when videos are running, but the hotspot for muting audio can be a bit difficult to click on

Thanks for listening, and I'm back to seeing out the new version works out 🙂

regards,

David

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

ania — Wed, 09 Mar 2022 22:19:39 GMT

Hi xUxSxExR,

Thank you for your feedback! The speed control in Picture-in-Picture is likely not on our radar this year, unfortunately. I understand the convenience, but it is a somewhat heavy lift, and would require site-specific adapters.

Can you please elaborate on the headphone option - is it for video in general or for Picture-in-Picture? Do I understand correctly that you want to be able to play only audio to avoid loading the video track?

Thank you!

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

ania — Wed, 09 Mar 2022 22:40:38 GMT

Hi Kerr,

Thank you for your feedback; these are all great suggestions!

PiP discoverability - this is on our radar, although it's not easy to strike a balance between good discoverability and annoying users.

Re HTML 5 video controls and buffering overlay - thank you, this is helpful feedback. We hope to have time to give the video widget some TLC this year, and it's valuable to know what works and what doesn't.

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

ania — Wed, 09 Mar 2022 23:15:12 GMT

Hi Spider-Man,

There is a problem with video freezing that Media team is actively working to resolve right now - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1757971

Does the description seem to be in line with the issue you're experiencing? If not, can I please ask you to file a Bugzilla report, so we can start investigating the issue?

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

ania — Thu, 10 Mar 2022 16:15:28 GMT

Hi Dan,

Thank you for your feedback!

One way to remove the download window is to right-click on the toolbar, choose the Customize Toolbar and remove the download button from the toolbar completely.

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

sfin — Thu, 10 Mar 2022 16:46:06 GMT

On Android the video doesn't always show up properly in full screen. The video with be shifted down and to the right so part of the video isn't visible.

Actual video:

what I see in full screen:

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

ania — Thu, 10 Mar 2022 18:46:24 GMT

Hi sfin,

Thank you for your feedback! Do you mind logging the issue, so that Firefox Android team can get a report? This thread is about video on desktop, and I won't be able to help with the issue you're experiencing.

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

shanen — Thu, 10 Mar 2022 21:46:19 GMT

Too much to hope for a pointer to the correct place, eh?

Oh well. One point of clarification. The problem has been coming and going for a while, but right now it is only affecting one of my Windows 10 computers. I use several machines for various purposes, but it's especially intrusive when it's affecting the one I use most.

Back to the struggle to use Firefox. I can't imagine how it could get bad enough to get me to consider Edge, but I do use various other less Edgy browsers for various purposes... At some point the hassles of using Firefox are going to be too much to put up with.

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

Spider-Man — Fri, 11 Mar 2022 01:48:44 GMT

It would seem to be yes. I think just regular normal use on youtube and occasionally other sites will trigger some kind of freeze up. I've tried every solution I can think of and nothing works. I'll try to report something on it.

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

shanen — Fri, 11 Mar 2022 19:23:43 GMT

Yet another interface problem to go with the search problems of this website... It keeps sending me notification emails about comments in this thread--but none of them are related to my problem or my message. However the "Hi shanen" salutation confused me again and I started searching for a relevant reply that doesn't exist.

In conclusion, I'm not feeling motivated to do more searches, less motivated to follow up on the independent idea I submitted earlier and even less motivated than that to submit any more ideas. Yeah, I'm hoping for Firefox to survive, but at this point it doesn't seem realistic to hope for it's success. (I think it's the bad economic model, which was the focus of that submitted idea that I now regard as dead.)

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

ania — Fri, 11 Mar 2022 22:06:55 GMT

Hi N4AOF,

Thank you for your feedback, I'll make sure to pass it along to the team that works on Downloads (this thread happens to be about video experience on Firefox).

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

gunner — Fri, 11 Mar 2022 23:42:29 GMT

How about a slimmed-down version? Firefox has become a slow obese pig of a software package - like it's trying to be an operating system over the top of an operating system. Ya know, basic browser, basic functions, so it doesn't 3-4 minutes to start up after "yet another update", or take 30 seconds to "unpack itself" from memory just to close?

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

N4AOF — Sat, 12 Mar 2022 06:20:21 GMT

Totally unacceptable "Throw out the baby with the bath water" solution!

The original download indicator (which also served as the button to open the same window that now pops up constantly) was useful. As you should be seeing by now -- with several users complaining in just this thread alone -- this unsolicited change was outrageously bad. Someone needs to get 98.01 out here quickly.

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

knightoflight — Sat, 12 Mar 2022 15:17:31 GMT

Picture-in-Picture no longer works with YoutTube TV. It still works with regular YouTube. This is Firefox on Windows 10. Can this be fixed?

Thank you.

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

shanen — Sun, 13 Mar 2022 00:28:42 GMT

Where, oh where, is the unsubscribe option? The subscribe option is prominently visible everywhere, but...

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

kleinph — Sun, 13 Mar 2022 18:31:08 GMT

This is slightly off-topic, but I filed a bug report a while ago that the video/audio states of a tab are hard to tell apart in German: [UX] Playing/PiP tab is hard to spot

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

kleinph — Sun, 13 Mar 2022 18:33:49 GMT

It would be nice to have the actual video controls that the website is using rendered in the PiP window.

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

brochard — Tue, 15 Mar 2022 19:10:10 GMT

With Youtube Vanced getting closed, the only alternative is the browser. So it would be nice to be able to have access to more necessary addons to make it a similar experience on mobile :
- Sponsorblock
- Return Youtube Dislike
- Youtube Non Stop

Also making it easier to have the video playing while the phone is off, better control (previous/next video)...

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

ania — Wed, 16 Mar 2022 19:23:43 GMT

Thank you, brochard, I'll make sure to pass the feedback to the mobile add-on team.

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

ania — Wed, 16 Mar 2022 19:27:54 GMT

Additional PiP video controls is the closest enhancement on our radar👍

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

ania — Wed, 16 Mar 2022 20:05:49 GMT

I wanted to thank everyone for a great discussion - it's been great to receive community feedback and get a better understanding of pain points you experience with video.

@T9 @KERR I wanted to specifically thank you for your generosity in providing feedback and explaining how you use Picture-in-Picture and video player in Firefox - this will inform the way we design updated video playback controls, improve discoverability, tooltips, and buffering UI.

The whole team is looking forward to working on an update, and while I cannot share any specific plans/timelines at this point, I feel that your feedback will allow me to make a better case when advocating for this work.

Cheers,

Ania

Re: How can we make video experience in Firefox better for you?

Jon — Wed, 16 Mar 2022 20:53:40 GMT

Hey all,

Thanks so much for participating in such a productive discussion about improving the video experience in Firefox. It was great seeing so many valuable insights shared both ways! We are closing out this discussion, but want to encourage you to continue sharing your feedback and ideas about this particular topic (and more, of course) in new posts—just be sure to use the necessary labels and tags, so your posts are easily searched for and discovered by our teams.

Also, we are excited to announce that more of these discussions hosted by Mozilla employees are headed to the Mozilla Connect community next week...and we plan to have this be an ongoing series moving forward.

Stay tuned 😃

-The Community Team