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Thunderbird 115.2.2 feedback

NGFred — Mon, 18 Sep 2023 10:33:10 GMT

Greetings,

Sorry to say, but the new version is a no-go for us.

Our entire staff is disappointed, the new interface is terrible : Font change makes it really less readable, even the new filter bar is really wrong (location, etc).

We cannot of course downgrade to previous version without installing from scratch, this will simply be a farewell to Thunderbird.

Thanks

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RuffyTuffy — Mon, 18 Sep 2023 11:21:59 GMT

Agree. Impossible to read or scan.

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shannondc — Mon, 18 Sep 2023 12:33:59 GMT

I agree - the new font makes things more difficult to read & the messages appear too close together. Moving the menu above the file menu bar is confusing & harder to use. Also, the way that messages are highlighted in the message list is inconsistent and makes it harder to navigate. I love Thunderbird, but this design update is a big mistake. At least allow us the option of reverting to the old visual design

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sverson — Mon, 18 Sep 2023 13:52:26 GMT

I totally agree with all of you!

So it's not my old-fashioned idea of design. 😉

My first impression was: simply ugly - hard to read - confusing!

PLEASE CHANGE BACK!!!

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Igelmann — Mon, 18 Sep 2023 15:03:46 GMT

Auch hier in good old Germany --> Bitte, bitte, bitte wieder das alte Design, sonst bekomme ich Augenkrebs oder wechsel zu Outlook. Danke

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CondoGhost — Mon, 18 Sep 2023 17:06:09 GMT

Unbelievable to not provide us the option to keep our original fonts, spacing, background grey/white line spacing. And you make it so difficult to revert back to previous release.

Is it a deliberate ploy to force us to give up on Thunderbird?

Why oh why do you shove this down our throats like this? We no longer have our emails listing white/grey to break up this harsh white shouting at us.

Worst experience ever - definitely time to drop Thunderbird for good!

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Tolstoi01 — Mon, 18 Sep 2023 17:22:02 GMT

My filters don't work anymore half of the time, or it filters the wrong way... and I won't say anything about slugginess... very disappointed after so many years of use...

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ric07 — Tue, 19 Sep 2023 11:56:53 GMT

I've been using Thunderbird for many years and have rarely been able to approve of the design adjustments. I'm an interface designer myself and I can only shake my head at such major design errors. At the moment it's a struggle to read and answer emails. As a die-hard typographic fan, the choices between line spacing and font size are horror! The position of the buttons is also anything but intuitive. I was able to get used to the previous design. I would be happy to have an option to restore the old design and not have to switch to another email program.

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brian_m — Wed, 20 Sep 2023 03:36:24 GMT

Please ignore the following comment, see my reply below.

Thunderbird 115.2.3 came down with the updates for Linux Mint 21, and it's installation has been a MAJOR disaster. It has totally wiped my calendar - all upcoming events have been deleted! The person responsible for authorising the release of this software should be IMMEDIATELY booted from the Thunderbird project, and never allowed near it again! How the hell can you let something so fundamental go through unnoticed?

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HMK — Wed, 20 Sep 2023 01:14:21 GMT

Ya, there's a lot about it I don't like, but it's still the best email tool out there as far as I've seen.

The unread count in every folder is annoying. Bolding the folder name was always good enough. That said, I can understand why some might like it, hence my issue - no way to turn it off. Give us configuration options for changes like this.
What's with the persistent hot-key indicator in the search field? If your change is so unintuitive that you need to place permanent instructions on the screen, you should rethink that change. If you think this was such a great idea, then why don't you have permanent hot-keys all over the interface? (Don't do this). Again, how about a configuration option to remove the stupid thing.
I didn't have auto-update enabled, yet this got pushed out, which took me by surprise - which isn't a good state to be in when I'm just trying to use email. Was that intentional?
I can't remember now what the previous list of emails looked like - were there alternating BG colors? All I'm sure of now is that everything in my inbox and other folders looks very squished together. Everything blends into one large amorphous blob. I'm not sure what changed, but it wasn't a good one.

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brian_m — Wed, 20 Sep 2023 03:33:40 GMT

I'm sorry, I withdraw my previous comments. I found that (for whatever reason) I had the Mozilla PPA installed, but had forgotten all about it. I did not realise I was using beta-test software.

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rakowskipw — Wed, 20 Sep 2023 06:12:51 GMT

The new version is a nightmare. 👎

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Wshbnbrwry — Wed, 20 Sep 2023 08:02:43 GMT

A weird update, the 'density' can be changed to make it more readable but the Send/Receive icon is so so tiny and the weird placement of the search bar. Not seeing any improvements only negative changes.

Regards

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JohnnyBeau — Wed, 20 Sep 2023 17:05:45 GMT

It may be the best email client out there, but why do I always have to spend so much time fixing it after the update. It has become a waste of time.

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JohnnyBeau — Wed, 20 Sep 2023 17:09:58 GMT

The filters menus don't fit on the screen, and they have no sliders to see beyond the screen.

So much wasted time because of new versions. Whoever approves of the update hasn't a clue

of what is going on.

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Jonathan — Wed, 20 Sep 2023 20:39:48 GMT

So many applications are making major interface disasters, just in the name of "modern". It's trash. I hate it.

Now excuse me, I have to go force downgrade Thunderbird and restore my profile from backup.

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HMK — Thu, 21 Sep 2023 02:01:42 GMT

Sadly, this is the state of modern software deployment. Gone are the days of decent release notes and well documented changes, which include the instructions on how to take advantage of the new features, should you decide to. And welcome to the days of "Here's the update, with all of the new features already enabled for you! If you don't like them or they break how you work, good luck trying to figure out how to revert them, if we even let you!! " {insert evil laugh here}

I blame Microsoft and Apple for setting these new standards and everyone else for following them.

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sverson — Fri, 22 Sep 2023 09:30:47 GMT

As was to be expected, 115.2.3 does not bring any improvement either!

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Spaceman13 — Fri, 22 Sep 2023 19:21:06 GMT

Never thought I'd say this ... but this "update" may just make me switch to Outlook on my Windows machines. Most of the recent Outlook updates have gone in the right direction, and I already have Microsoft 365 for the family anyway.

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Spaceman13 — Fri, 22 Sep 2023 19:22:28 GMT

Best mail client is one that allows me to quickly scan mail, and process it. Outlook has now taken the lead over Thunderbird for me.

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Phusspot — Fri, 22 Sep 2023 23:02:05 GMT

It's just awful. Been using Thunderbird for donkey's years but this release has user interface bugs which should never have made it past a test cycle:

1) Move an email which sits near the top of the inbox into a local folder and the cursor position in the inbox goes to the end of the inbox - which could be 100s of lines down and you have scroll all the way back up to where you were.

2) Email filters auto-filing incoming email in local folders now doesn't indicate that the local folder has unread email ... so you have to manually check all the local folders which could have new email to see if any do by opening all local folders and their sub-folders until you can see email contents. This completely nixes any benefits of filing via filters. Maybe OK in test suite when testing 1 or 2 filters and 1 or 2 local folders but not when there are dozens of filters in use for a big filing system.

3) "New Message" button is massive size and inconsiderate location. Only way to stop it looking silly is to remove the "New Message" button and start a new email with Ctrl-N.

4) Still present from other versions ... when composing in HTML default 'paste' action is 'formatted' and a context menu allows 'paste unformatted text' ... but there's no way to define what the preferred default paste format is, say via Settings/Compose. If 'unformatted' is your preferred format you'll find Thunderbird a very frustrating UI for pasting information into emails during HTML composition as you'll Ctrl-V to paste and then have to edit out all the auto-formatting put in or Ctrl-Z and then paste via the context menu instead.

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SteveK — Wed, 27 Sep 2023 16:41:32 GMT

115.3.0 today. Don't like the changes. Can't seem to get folders to open automatically with unread messages only. Don't want to see list of messages already read.

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SteveK — Wed, 27 Sep 2023 16:49:45 GMT

Cracked it. Unread filter can be pinned, but that affects all folders. Still not keen. Don't like new icon either.

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tbirdmailuserca — Wed, 27 Sep 2023 17:14:43 GMT

Came here to say I'm not upgrading. Change for change's sake just like MS, along with a loss of configurability. Disappointing.

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jdugganv — Wed, 27 Sep 2023 20:13:01 GMT

Luckily I only updated on PC with this release - I'll ensure that I won't update my others, and reasonably sure I'll stop my monthly donation if things aren't changed soon

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quaxobadu — Wed, 27 Sep 2023 20:56:17 GMT

I was about to send major congratulations for how well supernova works for me when I read all the above since my post. Not sure why they have such issues. I have it on 6 PCs. So my post in this thread is a counterpoint to the complaints. My installs have been flawless since I began using TB routinely in 2006 after I migrated from Eudora. If I have an issue after upgrading, I often reinstall from scratch and it fixes it. I think the team should consider a simple TB mode like K9. The many powerful features in TB can confuse most.

I would like to see a more powerful search function, like Grep on Linux, as native, rather than an add on I use. Add ons being a great TB feature. Kudos to you, and my continued paying support to your efforts.

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solitude — Wed, 27 Sep 2023 21:24:55 GMT

As someone who has previously donated to Thunderbird, you won't be getting another penny from me.

What happened? So many things have changed, and not for the better, that I don't even know where to start with my complaints and/or criticisms.

The only decision I need to make now is: how much time am I willing to waste trying to figure out how to make this new version work to my liking again (can it even be done?), how much time do I waste uninstalling and reinstalling the prior version (and reinstalling all my account settings from different providers), or do I just get rid of it all together?

Why?

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Ramius67 — Wed, 27 Sep 2023 21:33:29 GMT

I agree, completely negative feedback. This version is very slow and ugly, please bring back the previous version!!! If you own a lot of accounts this version is a mess. One of the account it is not more visible but I can see the messages in the popups, crazy! I don't understand the reason of doing this version...

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solitude — Wed, 27 Sep 2023 21:49:17 GMT

My complaint has nothing to do with "powerful features." That's a silly way of looking at things after all that's been changed, as if only you could figure out these "powerful features."

One example of my many complaints is, what happened to all my collapsible folders? Before, there was a main folder for each email account I have, and the main folder was collapsible. Additionally, there was a subfolder that contained other user-made sub-subfolders (if you will) which could be collapsed as well. Now, ALL folders are either open or closed. Why? One click, all folders open, one click, all closed.

That window pane is now overflowing with folders that I don't want or need to see on a regular basis. It looks horrible, messy, and repetitive. So, no, I don't want my list of folders with less powerful features, I want there to be more, like there was before.

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HMK — Wed, 27 Sep 2023 22:29:56 GMT

I still have everything that you're apparently now missing. Each account is collapsible. All of my parent and children folders are still there and still collapsible/expandable.

I'm using the table view. I'm on MAC OS 12.6, and my accounts are all gmail based.

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solitude — Wed, 27 Sep 2023 23:34:16 GMT

The main account folder, for each email account, is still collapsible. The group of subfolders, that were previously collapsible, are now just... all there, and no longer in a group that can be collapsed or minimized. I've looked all through the settings and can't find anything that reverts this change. If I go to Gmail, those group/s of subfolders are still there and collapsible.

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solitude — Thu, 28 Sep 2023 01:51:58 GMT

Agreed. Impossible to quickly scan when it looks like there is a bunch of spam numbers in circles all over the place. Why would anyone ever think I/we need to know how many unread emails there are in a trash folder? I don't need any numbers shown, but I guess I can understand it showing up for the inbox only.

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RP1 — Thu, 28 Sep 2023 10:31:58 GMT

Point 1) is the most challenging - the cursor jumps all over the place when one moves or deletes an e-mail. Hope this can be fixed very soon.

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SteveK — Thu, 28 Sep 2023 11:58:57 GMT

Me again. The Inbox message list on 115.3.0 is too "tight", and changing Density from compact to default just makes it too spaced-out. What's going on!

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solitude — Thu, 28 Sep 2023 17:04:51 GMT

And by the way, the "table view" you mentioned affects a completely different column than the one I'm talking about.

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DavidBE — Thu, 28 Sep 2023 21:09:37 GMT

Having made sure I've got a TB 102.15.1 installer and a latest copy of my profile in case I want to revert, I 'upgraded' to 115.2.3 today.

This is AWFUL, just to look at. Whose bright idea was it to put the toolbar ABOVE the tab bar, unlike every other program I have? And changing the tab bar and its buttons AND the background colour of the message list to jet black rather than the prior dark grey in dark theme? And as for that dreadful blue block of a New Message button, makes it look like a Fisher-Price toy for 5 year-olds.

Oh, and my unread-and-starred custom view I always had the Unified Inbox using doesn't stick in Supernova - has to be re-selected every time I go to the unified Inbox.

But the look is truly dreadful. In 102, in Dark theme, TB perfectly matched both my Firefox and Edge. Now it just look like some messed up non-matching app with a half-assed UI cobbled together in some teenager's bedroom instead. Does creating a userChrome.css even still work in 115? If it does, I suppose I could fix the colours, but no way am I using this with the toolbar ABOVE the tabs. Sheesh. after I post this, I'm reverting to 102 and staying there, certainly unless/until the tab bar goes back to the top where it should be. Unless/until there's some major (and very unlikely) change to the IMAP and SMTP RFCs, there's no desperate need to upgrade/update anyway, even for years. Actually, I have a truly wonderful and massively customizable Email client on my Android Phone (no, not the K9/TB android client), and while I've been doing all my email on my laptop (I'm disabled and not away from the laptop much) I will switch to doing it on my phone before I use this current Supernova UI.

Devs seem to think they always have to keep re-designing UIs, and never seem to consider that there were actually very good reasons why UIs were designed the way they were and those reasons haven't necessarily changed.

All the blog posts and ads indicated people who likes the 'Classic' look would be able to keep it - but that's not true enough. For me an absolute sine qua non for me going up from 102 is PUT THE TAB BAR BACK AT THE TOP. If that's not done (at least as a choosable option, and I can't see anything that looks like that even in about:config), forget it. I'm staying with 102, which I'm now going to revert to.

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Sma — Mon, 02 Oct 2023 01:30:33 GMT

This new version is awful. Please bring back the previous one.

At the very least, fix these issues:

Zoom (ctrl ++) doesn't work unless I first go to View - Zoom.

The menu bar should be on TOP

The spacing is impossible to read

Do not show all the extraneous folders in things like gmail - just show our PERSONAL folders, or at least give us a way to do so. I don't mean specific, selected folders, but ALL our personal folders in their normal sequence. The new version makes the folder panel full of tons of unnecessary garbage. The new version makes it virtually impossible to manage multiple email addresses, which is the reason so many of us use Thunderbird in the first place.

Get rid of extraneous items like the "Ctrl - K" squares in the search box that draw attention away from what we are trying to do here - simply manage our email.

I am a very long time Thunderbird user and I really don't want to switch, but sadly, if this version isn't repaired substantially, I will need to do so for my sanity.

Thank you.

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RMoss321 — Tue, 03 Oct 2023 01:06:34 GMT

As a TB user since the Eudora days, I have to say that I truly dislike this version. I much preferred the visual appearance of the previous version. This version has eliminated zebra striping (alternating white and grey background on messages). Really? Why? Without it, a page of messages looks unorganized and confusing. Please bring that back!!!

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Sämpy — Tue, 03 Oct 2023 07:40:12 GMT

I agree with most of previous posts. Some problems are small but meaningful. Like previously, if you had a text open in a tab, you could use ctrl-C-V to move text to another program, and when you got back the highlight of previous text was still there visible. Now, when you move to another tab, the highlights disappear. So you have to find the correct line again where you left off. And time is wasted, again..

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Magda — Tue, 03 Oct 2023 08:34:58 GMT

In the latest Thunderbird update, the quick filtering feature is completely non-functional, which greatly hinders work. This program is not suitable for use without the quick filtering function. Is it possible to revert to the previous version?

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misfyt — Tue, 03 Oct 2023 09:35:52 GMT

@Wshbnbrwry Could you share how you changed the font density and spacing? I'd also like to get the 'old' interface design back.

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misfyt — Tue, 03 Oct 2023 09:50:04 GMT

Another bug/feature: when I apply a filter to the INBOX to move all matching messages to a specific folder, when I return to that target folder, the cursor is not on the most recent message, but somewhere in the middle of the message list of that folder, so I have to scroll down all the way to the most recent message.

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ConstantRandom — Tue, 03 Oct 2023 17:23:27 GMT

I have to agree with most of the other comments here. I knew that people would be dissatisfied with the new UI when the news broke that Thunderbird would be changed. Mozilla seems to have a preoccupation with breaking things that were working fine before, just for the sake of change. This is really disappointing and it made my friendly Thunderbird that I've used for decades into a strange adversary.

The Thunderbird project displays messages to support Thunderbird "to keep it alive", but why would I do such a thing when you don't even listen to user feedback, unless it's for the wrong reason. Time to move on... 😭

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Bill_ — Fri, 06 Oct 2023 14:27:42 GMT

Agree.

While I fully understand the need for security, and reliability,updates; and even starting fresh with cleaner code; I do not understand the choice to disrupted the end user's convenience and ease of use that we formerly enjoyed when using Thunderbird. Supernova may have begun with good intentions; but the end result for me has been disruption.

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asciiman — Fri, 06 Oct 2023 18:18:40 GMT

Hey guys, have a look at Betterbird. I just downloaded it recently to have a look.

It is based on Thunderbird 115.x.x but they have sifted through the superfluous and really streamlined it. It works nicely. Things like the Title Bar and the Menu Bar are integrated like they were in the earlier TB versions. Someone on one these TB threads suggested it and I agree, it is nice software!! A lot of Linux users will be happy to know that it is already in their repositories.

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Tadpole — Sat, 07 Oct 2023 12:52:27 GMT

ANYONE know how to change the App font line spacing with this new release?? For the love of [insert god of choice]

For bulk of users now, core readability >> usability has degraded significantly with this new release. (doesnt matter what bells and whistles you add, if core fundamental features are degraded it a waste of time. "Can I find, read, org my emails at the same or better efficiency and experience as a prior release." should always be a concern in UX changes like this.

Difficult to read and find messages and features - without correct line spacing - its a absolute fundamental concern. And how this got though UAT is also concerning - that must be addressed as well going forward imo or your just pissing in the wind.

If a user cant change the spacing and font styling for App (appearance settings doesnt seem to affect it), these changes will kill a large portion of the userbase. Guaranteed.. this is coming from coming from 30yrs+ UI dev expert, dont mean to bruise inflated egos but please dont kill this solid historic app - i'll hold out for a month more then i'll be off - with likely the bulk of the userbase (note - was here since birth of thunderbird).

Who ever the lead UX designer is, try to target different res desktop/devices for usability especially on drastic changes like this and get some userbase feedback - dont just target 800x600 VGA, and if possible please try and retain support for prior UI settings or close to it (rather then god like changes like this - its not impressing anyone)

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Tadpole — Sat, 07 Oct 2023 13:58:17 GMT

FYI . Best workaround i've found so far to improve readability on this new UX design, is to switch to Dark-mode theme.

Settings >> Add-ons and Themes >> Themes >> Dark.

At least this improves readability, easier to eyeball and identify individual messages, folders and features in darkmode - especially using a dense content - long active mailbox account.

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SteveK — Sat, 07 Oct 2023 16:18:33 GMT

View>>Density gives some options

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Tigercharles — Mon, 09 Oct 2023 10:27:25 GMT

I totally agree, the new layout is not really practical and confusing and leaves much unused space! Also some of the "old" functionality is gone (e.g. wrong place now for the "search bar", only 1 receive button for all in the menu bar - when you use different accounts, I don't want to receive everything!). Furthermore it does not work properly, e.g. the search only uses only the "sent"-content, independent if you are searching within another folder....

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satterle — Mon, 09 Oct 2023 12:55:29 GMT

Agreed - Quick Filter is not working. I use it extensively, and now since this update (and after compressing mailboxes, clearing cache etc.), it just doesn't find things. For instance if I do a proper search on inbox, I find multiple emails with esp32 (and ESP32), but if I do a quick search on inbox, for either of those terms, I get nothing.

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GrumpyGramps — Mon, 09 Oct 2023 15:34:55 GMT

Uh oh! Is there a way to backlevel Thunderbird from 115.3.1 (64-bit) to the previous version? I have the same issues as the posting above. In addition, the ability to reload a message in a blank tab no longer works. And when I delete a message while reading the message in a tab, the line in the inbox tab does get deleted but the message detail tab does not close and the "delete" button is still active and deletes something but I don't know what. Sometimes it opens a new inbox tab for some reason. I haven't yet taken an orderly cut at determining why and when that happens. I have however, checked all my settings and all the right boxes are checked or unchecked as appropriate.

I really want to backlevel this installation. An option to do just that should be included in the tools section.

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GrumpyGramps — Mon, 09 Oct 2023 15:40:59 GMT

Also, gone are the days of thorough testing before any release is made public. Just because q certain feature works on the developer's system, does not guarantee that the feature will work as expected on the integrated product. And, testing on different OSes is obviously not happening. Is this the product of a failed beta system, or what?

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GrumpyGramps — Mon, 09 Oct 2023 15:48:15 GMT

I hate Outlook, but might just have to cut back over to it. This 115.3.1 (64-bit) release is a disaster and the difficulity of rolling back a level or two is much more cumbersome and time consuming than just nuking Thunderbird and cutting back to Outlook. I have 11 unique inboxes (email addresses) to keep track on. Thunderbird's superior ability to support that requirement in past yeas is what landed me on Thunderbird to begin with. Now that Outlook also supports multiple email accounts in an integrated UI, I'll have to seriously consider switching back.

If I don't see a Thunderbird "update" that rolls back this abhorrent 115.3.1 (64-bit) "downgrade" in the next day or two, I'll be gone for good. 115.3.1 (64-bit) is a disgrace to the entire project.

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CarlC — Tue, 10 Oct 2023 13:02:08 GMT

I guess I got lucky that I was already in dark mode, and it didn't change my views... I checked out the "cards" "vertical view" etc and I hate it. I've got my message list columns and layout exactly how I want them. And I actually like the unread message count.

But the thing I hate is that, as others have mentioned, the message "View" isn't sticky... I use a custom "Unread and Starred" view and every time I leave a folder and come back, it's reverted to "All". I won't say it's unusable, but it's certainly inconvenient. (Especially because the key remapper that let me assign a custom keybind to select a view stopped working with the big add-on security update.)

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Micrologic — Tue, 10 Oct 2023 13:12:02 GMT

Our staff agrees. Also, the open email used to be highlighted even after navigating away from the app but now the highlight goes away, making it difficult to locate which email I was just viewing in the list above.

This is mainly an issue because I receive up to 10 emails from FedEx with tracking updates and it's difficult to distinguish between them unless I remember which tracking number I just viewed!

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Tadpole — Tue, 10 Oct 2023 17:06:45 GMT

Thanks for that tip.. Do you know why "compact" density the default on TB upgrade and not "default" (density)? I have never before used this option.

Now to disable all the other force-fed changes - remove these distracting header top tabs to start with (customise > restore default).

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ladolcevideo — Fri, 13 Oct 2023 19:40:52 GMT

I was able to deal with the adjustment, by tweaking font size and density, but the biggest issue is no Zebra Stripes! Please please give the option to turn these back on. I even tried some the custom coding others recommended for past versions, but will not work on this. Has anyone found a way to put the stripes back on? So hard to view without. thank you

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jaess — Fri, 13 Oct 2023 20:03:22 GMT

I have to agree. There is little to like here. Very disappointed in this "upgrade."

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IanG46 — Tue, 17 Oct 2023 13:15:10 GMT

Hi folks. I'd really like to say how much I like the look of the new Thunderbird.

But I don't - I totally hate it! I completely understand why it was necessary to unpick the legacy coding, but that was no reason why the UI had to change. I'm guessing this is the result of some software personal whims - never mind the customers requirements, look how good the software is!!!

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Lisa7 — Wed, 18 Oct 2023 01:52:54 GMT

why can't we rearrange folders in the new Thunderbird? It seemed to be working when I first installed the download but no longer.

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pajades — Sun, 22 Oct 2023 11:45:31 GMT

Yes, and on top of that "Custom Views" are not retained for the unified inbox either. Moving to another folder and back to the unified inbox resets the view to the default. VERY annoying.

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britbitebulldog — Wed, 25 Oct 2023 17:25:01 GMT

I have used Thunderbird for so many yrs a true mozilla fan and a firefox one, but when supernova was installed i realised what a horrible interface it had, some would say "clean" but this is actually a step backwards it may be a re design but its layout and feel is truly the work of someone who has just got out of nappys and tried to impress the developers with there new found talent.but being new and fresh is not always a good way. i like many more have just downgraded to 102.15.1 and its staying that way with auto update off !! listen to the jungle drums ...users are not amused.

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GrumpyGramps — Wed, 25 Oct 2023 17:29:59 GMT

How can I go about to downgrading? I plan to do the same if I can figure out how to get there.

Re: Thunderbird 115.2.2 feedback

britbitebulldog — Thu, 26 Oct 2023 15:00:28 GMT

FIrst of all im using WIN 10 so this applies to that OS, all i did was open my profile location and found 2 entrys one had a folder with a json file in it,the other profile folder had everything in it.i scrolled down the list to the entry labelled " configuration settings" and deleted this although from what ive read that should have been an .INI file but i just deleted my entry.once done i exited the page and was back at my desktop also thunderbird 115 was closed. i had already downloaded TB version 102.13.1 so with that in place i ran the installer for that.once it had finished i opened TB with the shortcut on the desktop no bother at all it was all correct. NEXT STEP go to Menu in TB and in the settings you have the option to AUTO UPDATE (recomended) or NOTIFY OF UPDATE ONLY( user INSTALL) tick the NOTIFY ONLY this stops 115 supernova from going in. but you will get notified an update is available but DO NOT EXCEPT IT- IGNORE THE NOTIFICATION.. this works for me no issues and there does seem to be other methods suggested but they were just not needed in my case.

Re: Thunderbird 115.2.2 feedback

jamesjweg — Thu, 26 Oct 2023 16:40:47 GMT

After decades using Thunderbird this is making me look at other options, totally unusable.

Re: Thunderbird 115.2.2 feedback

powersource — Tue, 31 Oct 2023 12:46:51 GMT

I agree. It seems like a buggy beta version. When I go to my inbox , each time I have to scroll through all the old emails to get to the new ones. Plus all the other bugs mentioned above. I am not even sure how this was released.

Re: Thunderbird 115.2.2 feedback

mhb — Mon, 04 Dec 2023 10:55:52 GMT

Keyboard shortcuts for copy, cut and paste only work some of the time. For paste it only works in simple html or text view.

Keyboard shortcut for zoom only works once you've selected the view menu (but needn't actually use it).

These are very frustrating glitches that impair the usability of this dreadful new GUI. Please just roll back to the tried and tested Thunderbird. I can't recommend it to people any more as it is.

Re: Thunderbird 115.2.2 feedback

RMoss321 — Mon, 19 Feb 2024 15:26:28 GMT

Agreed. Why would you eliminate zebra striping?